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    I would personally class a TT bearing as a slow moving part, even at 78 RPM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    I would personally class a TT bearing as a slow moving part, even at 78 RPM.
    Which is what I said in my last post.
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    After much deliberation I have decided to use oil on my turntable bearing as it sits in a brass oil bath bearing and really this is the most suitable lubricant and recommended by users and owners across the internet. I think grease would be too thick and as the bearing has so close a tolerance it would only need a very small amount of lubrication anyway.

    Tomorrow I have cleared the day for the operation but will also clean and calibrate the turntable at the same time ensuring nothing is loose or defective. It has been about 3 years since I last did anything with it so its about time!
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    SAE 30 synthetic compressor oil is a favourite of mine, especially for oilite bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willbewill View Post
    SAE 30 synthetic compressor oil is a favourite of mine, especially for oilite bearings.
    I think it will be a synthetic oil I will be using as they are usually quite thin and need to be with an oil bath bearing with very close tolerances.
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    I did a little maintaince on the 301! It's amazing how fast goes by. Keep us updated with findings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    After much deliberation I have decided to use oil on my turntable bearing as it sits in a brass oil bath bearing and really this is the most suitable lubricant and recommended by users and owners across the internet. I think grease would be too thick and as the bearing has so close a tolerance it would only need a very small amount of lubrication anyway.

    Tomorrow I have cleared the day for the operation but will also clean and calibrate the turntable at the same time ensuring nothing is loose or defective. It has been about 3 years since I last did anything with it so its about time!
    I have used this on a couple of turntables and it works very well, you could add a little to some low friction SAE30 or similar. They use this stuff in racing engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    I have used this on a couple of turntables and it works very well, you could add a little to some low friction SAE30 or similar. They use this stuff in racing engines.

    https://www.team-zx1.com/extralube-z...treatment.html
    Oils are definitely a science and technology in themselves. So many specialist products out there and applications. I have a range of oils and different types of grease I use on my bike and they are all manufactured in handmade batches with a secret set of ingredients? I know a fair bit of the technology is to use very low friction materials but also there are some that are used for waterproofing and making the oil viscosity such that it sticks to stuff with our being flung off.

    I imagine car engine oils are as much about operating in various extreme heat environments as well as friction functionality. So when you look at many of the oils out there and start to go into detail you find there are many technical aspects of the oil that are not needed in a turntable bearing. In fact I would say they actually need to be fairly simple compared to the extreme applications found in automotive and other engineering applications?
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    Still do and always have used fine sewing machine oil, which has never clogged up on any of my turntables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Oils are definitely a science and technology in themselves. So many specialist products out there and applications. I have a range of oils and different types of grease I use on my bike and they are all manufactured in handmade batches with a secret set of ingredients? I know a fair bit of the technology is to use very low friction materials but also there are some that are used for waterproofing and making the oil viscosity such that it sticks to stuff with our being flung off.

    I imagine car engine oils are as much about operating in various extreme heat environments as well as friction functionality. So when you look at many of the oils out there and start to go into detail you find there are many technical aspects of the oil that are not needed in a turntable bearing. In fact I would say they actually need to be fairly simple compared to the extreme applications found in automotive and other engineering applications?
    Yes I agree on that with respect to specialist applications. I have fount the ZX1 makes a significant difference in friction reduction on several TTs, and presumably noise as a result. I tested before and after by timing how long it took the platter to comet to rest from 33rpm and 45 rpm, and it was over twice as long to come to rest with the ZX1, so certainly made a difference. You only meed very small quantities so a small bottle of 5ml or 100ml is more than enough.
    Listening is the act of aural discrimination and dissemination of sound, and accepting you get it wrong sometimes.

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