Petition for clean Brexit referendum

[Bigman80]

Fair enough but the fact remains,

The entire nation had a chance to vote, they did and it was to leave.

People really need to accept the result and move on.

I didn't read all of the posts from the beginning, couldn't be arsed.

I have to correct a readily held misconception below Oli.

We do not live in a democracy, but an elected autocracy. We vote in MP's who are a political party orientated.

They do not represent us, they represent the political party.

There are not many free votes in the House of Commons, MP's vote is dictated by the Party Whip, who reflects the dictat of the Party Leader.

So our "democracy" is the result of Party Leaders views hardly a democracy!

Only my observation of how things work.

Gary

[Stryder5]

I don't disagree, but leave is leave not some diluted EU membership that is titled Brexit.

It seems there are many orchestrated definitions of leave.

I'll leave it there

Fair enough but the fact remains,

The entire nation had a chance to vote, they did and it was to leave.

People really need to accept the result and move on.

[Clive]

The problem is there is no definition of what people voted for. It was just leave.

The question was: Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

Leave can mean almost anything and I'm sure not all leave voters had the same thing in mind. It's also a lot more obvious now what the issues are. We could have a much more informed vote now. In/Out and then 2nd preferences for what type of Leave is wanted by the nation - and yes that would gather the views of the Remainers should the result be Leave. If we are to leave surely we ALL have a right to say what this should look like.

[Macca]

The problem is there is no definition of what people voted for. It was just leave.

The question was: Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

Leave can mean almost anything and I'm sure not all leave voters had the same thing in mind. It's also a lot more obvious now what the issues are. We could have a much more informed vote now. In/Out and then 2nd preferences for what type of Leave is wanted by the nation - and yes that would gather the views of the Remainers should the result be Leave. If we are to leave surely we ALL have a right to say what this should look like.

So we are leaving but we should have another referendum about which type of leaving we want? From leaving in name only to telling them to stick it all and shoving the keys back through the letterbox. And some positions in between? I'd be up for that.

The only thing that I think is important is that we can in principle refuse to enact any of their laws, even if in practice we do. I don't think many people realise how critical that is.

If we don't have that legal get-out we are hitching ourselves to a wagon and going wherever it goes, even if it is to the gates of hell, and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it. That would be a sad end for a nation that has struggled so hard and so long to maintain its independence and uniqueness.

[struth]

I doubt if another was held, it would be majority for leaving now folk know whats involved.

[Beobloke]

How about 'Remoaners' and 'Wrecksiteers'?

I like that!

[ff1d1l]

Tory Brexit? .

Well, some facts.
This was a tory construct, implemented by Cameron, who was worried on two counts - that UKIP was making massive inroads into the tory voter base, and that the obstructive and grumbling hard right, anti europe tory MPs needed to be silenced for good and all. So, massive miscalculation, but totally Cameron and the tories baby. Fact.

Votes cast were
tories 61% leave to 39% remain
Labour 35% leave to 65% remain
Lib Dem 32% leave to 68% remain
Green 20% leave to 80% remain
Fact - its here

Which party, decided to proceed to brexit on an advisory referendum? The tories. Fact.
Which party is, even though they now command no majority in parliament, two years whatever later, still - I use the term loosely - in charge of brexit? Fact.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is tory brexit.

That petition, BTW is https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223729/

[Bigman80]

I didn't say the Tories didn't implement the vote or that they aren't doing the management of it, now did I ?

What I said was, they are TASKED with doing what the BRITISH PUBLIC VOTED FOR.

Your facts are meaningless and it's ridiculous to blame Tories for the referendum. They added it to their manifesto BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WANTED IT. UKIP gained ground on this subject because of the support for it. There was no miscalculation, or error of judgment. It got the Tories another term, regardless of majorities. Funny how UKIP have become less of an opposition now the Tories held the referendum.

That's what annoying here, a persistence to BLAME people. A snotty nosed attitude that anyone who voted to leave must be like "Bob", an uneducated council estate dweller, living on benefits and is terrified Abdul is going to come here and take the houses and jobs that as a British born male, has a god given right to. They're all Xenophobic, homophobic scum bags aren't they. All 16m of them (or whatever the majority was)

The Lefties are becoming extreme left because they didn't win the referendum. Insulting and belittling those who voted differently to them. It's pathetic.

The vote was cast, counted and the decision was to leave the EU. It was all done LEGALLY.

The breakdown of what political party each referendum voter usually votes for is irrelevant. It's just another tool being used to try and undermine the decision by bitter remainers, who cannot accept they didn't get their own way.

Well, some facts.
This was a tory construct, implemented by Cameron, who was worried on two counts - that UKIP was making massive inroads into the tory voter base, and that the obstructive and grumbling hard right, anti europe tory MPs needed to be silenced for good and all. So, massive miscalculation, but totally Cameron and the tories baby. Fact.

Votes cast were
tories 61% leave to 39% remain
Labour 35% leave to 65% remain
Lib Dem 32% leave to 68% remain
Green 20% leave to 80% remain
Fact - its here

Which party, decided to proceed to brexit on an advisory referendum? The tories. Fact.
Which party is, even though they now command no majority in parliament, two years whatever later, still - I use the term loosely - in charge of brexit? Fact.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is tory brexit.

[Scooby]

Why should anyone who claims to support democracy want to stop a second referendum? Surely it’s another chance to have a say with more facts available. If a majority still want to leave then so be it. If a majority want to remain, then it’s democracy in action. Those voting to leave had their wish in that we went down that road. Any subsequent vote will replace the previously expressed will.

[Lawrence001]

I'm with Oli on this one. And possibly Martin, but he's harder to pigeonhole.

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