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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    Buzzes mechanically or hums through the speakers?
    Bit of both but you can't hear anything when it's playing. The tiny bit of hum only comes through when you turn volume up full when nothing playing but then you hear a bit of tube rush as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topoxforddoc View Post
    Others to consider

    TRON Convergence GBP1000 MM or GBP1200 MC - built to order - you can specify the cartridge loading etc - super quiet circuit with low noise floor (inaudible on my 104 dB/W horns speakers) - great sound & stellar build quality

    EAR 834P - long standing stalwart in the valve phone stage line-up - probably bettered now by others at the price - GBP1204 MM or GBP1347 MM or MC
    Both can be bettered with judicious modification, as I have done on both of them.
    Firebottle - for the no bottleneck approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Bear in mind that a phonostage can hum not because of its own internal transformer but due to being too close to another piece of equipment containing a large transformer. Could that be the problem?
    Nothing else near my phono stage but it is built into a valve regulated preamp which has two toroids in the power supply! These buzz and probably pass a bit of noise onto the valves. I need to get them out into another box!
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    [QUOTE=Firebottle;993751]Both can be bettered with judicious modification, as I have done on both of them.[/QUO

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    ..Do you use the Isolator with it?
    No, as a matter of fact, I do not use the isolator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Have you actually had experience of the MusicMaster from The Cartridge man (Len Gregory)
    I have and I assure you No bottle neck!
    Although I am aware of the MusicMaster, I have not tried it in my system or auditioned it anywhere else. In terms of cost, it is not inexpensive and finds itself in the area of quite some reputable LOMC cartridges, e.g. Lyra Delos (+ SUT). So, how would the MusicMaster compare with such cartridges (e.g. the Delos)? No clue. Both require a leap of faith.
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    System1: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with OriginLive DC motor + Audiomods Series5 + MusicMaker III, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv., KEF LS50, LAB12 Gordian, Mark Grant HDX1, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

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    The Music Maker appears to retail at 740 or so, whilst the Lyra Delos is 1195 + a step up if needed, so not really in the same price bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    The Music Maker appears to retail at 740 or so, whilst the Lyra Delos is 1195 + a step up if needed, so not really in the same price bracket.
    Dave, I was actually referring to MusicMaster (not MusicMaker III) vs. Lyra Delos + SUT. Which one to choose? Or perhaps consider a high output MC instead?

    As we all agree, cartridge matching with the phono stage is paramount. Synergy is key.
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    OK. In that case I would go with a Delos + step up or an Audio Technica of your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    Buzzes mechanically or hums through the speakers?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Bit of both but you can't hear anything when it's playing. The tiny bit of hum only comes through when you turn volume up full when nothing playing but then you hear a bit of tube rush as well.
    If the hum is at about the same level as hiss from the valves, it's not bad at all. Before going to the trouble of removing the mains transformers I would recommend verifying that the hum is definitely from the transformers. The first step - and it's easy - is to unplug the turntable from the phonostage and insert a pair of shorting plugs into the phonostage's inputs. If you still have hum, it's coming from the phonostage. If the hum disappears it was coming from the turntable. No point in removing the mains transformers from the phonostage if they're not the problem.

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