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Thread: FS: Ikeda 9C III cartridge w headshell, cantileverless, like a Decca made in Japan!

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    Default FS: Ikeda 9C III cartridge w headshell, cantileverless, like a Decca made in Japan!



    Something interesting has come up and I need to raise cash Ö so it's with much reluctance that I'm offering this true classic of a cartridge.

    The original 'Ikeda 9' series of cartridges, prior to 2011 when Isamu Ikeda (founder of Fidelity Research) retired, were each hand made personally by the master, and were built around a cantilever-less stylus assembly - the stylus fixes to a small bridge which attaches directly to the cartridge coils. Essentially this is the Decca principle, only in moving coil, done by one of the leading Japanese audio masters.

    Post 2011 Ikeda cartridges, after Ikeda sold the business, reverted to a more standard cantilever arrangement - so no more of these classics are being made.

    This cartridge was bought from Uesugi Ken (soundget.net) in Japan a few months back, for $1350 + postage, plus VAT and brokerage when it arrived in the UK - just over £1250 all up. Itís played maybe 50 sides since I got it so is in essentially the same wonderful condition it was in when I bought it http://soundgate.net/product/MTM..highend - there is a scratch on the headshell but the cartridge itself is in top order.

    Itís quite a different presentation to my Miyajima Madake and Takumi, which are quite warm, perhaps sightly old fashioned, not without detail but definitely on the laid back side. The Ikeda is a more modern, detailed sound - it has a vividness and presence like nothing Iíve heard, yet at the same time it manages to avoid the flatness that you can get with Deccas - itís wonderfully 3D. Itís also the most dynamic cartridge Iíve ever heard - Deccas included.

    In the end though, my listening (heavily classically biased) does seem to favour the more laid back Miyajimas, and the arrival of a Takumi as my No.2 stereo cartridge has meant that its not getting used, except when visitors come to ooh and aah over. It really is very special.

    I did start a thread about it when it arrived so some additional info here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...d-Ikeda-9C-III Also some broader discussion on Ikeda 9 cartridges over on the Lenco forum: https://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/in...p?topic=5905.0

    I suspect that the Decca fans around here would love this cartridge. Of course Iím down as a long-time Decca skeptic so perhaps the outcome of this experiment was not entirely unexpected.

    Output is modestly healthy 0.18mV, 3 ohms coil impedance so a step-up or head amp suitable for an Ortofon SPU will work happily with it. Compliance is 6 x 10Ė6, which is low, so it would be at its best in a higher mass arm and the over 30g total weight of the cartridge plus headshell assembly requires an arm capable of balancing out a similar mass to an SPU.

    Iím offering it for £975 collected or +£10 for RMSD in the UK which is very cheap for one of these, headshells alone generally go for around £250. Package comprises outer box, inner box, headshell, headshell wires, cartridge, stylus brush and stylus guard.





    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Hi Tim,

    Is the cartridge integral or is the headshell detachable?

    Thanks

    Charlie
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    Quote Originally Posted by topoxforddoc View Post
    Hi Tim,

    Is the cartridge integral or is the headshell detachable?

    Thanks

    Charlie
    Hi Charlie

    The cartridge is detachable on the 9C. It doesn't need to be used in the dedicated headshell - though with matching paint it does look smart!
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Made by the same man as my lovely new Fidelity Research Tonearm I believe. A lovely thing that I would love to hear on the end of my FR12 a little out of my league though

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    Hi Tom,

    I'm sorely tempted by this cartridge and I suspect it would be a good partner to the FR64fx and MC702 I already have. Need to think about it though as I'm overspent on Hi-Fi for this month and a stereo cartridge isn't really on my shopping list at the moment. Still ...

    David Whistance

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhistance View Post
    Hi Tom,

    I'm sorely tempted by this cartridge and I suspect it would be a good partner to the FR64fx and MC702 I already have. Need to think about it though as I'm overspent on Hi-Fi for this month and a stereo cartridge isn't really on my shopping list at the moment. Still ...

    David Whistance
    Should be a good sonic match, David ... the combined cartridge-headshell assembly is heavier than MC702 but the effective mass of the FR64fx is broadly similar to the later Ikeda arms this would have been designed for - these are lighter than the earlier FR64S and have more in common with the later 64fx.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    I have personally had the privilege of hearing this cartridge on duty at Tom's.
    It's a remarkably special cartridge. Someone is in for a real treat.
    Poor timing for me ATM with money, I certainly would not have thought twice.
    GLWTS
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    Gerrard 401, classic hifi hammertone, Russ Collinson plinth / Tenuto Gun Metal Turntable Mat / SME 3012 J7 Rewired / audio-technica ATP-12T - phonomac modified / Ortofon Vintage SPU GE /Shure M3D /DV XX2Mk2 / The Cartridge Man Music Master with isolator / Miyajima Zero B 0.7mil Mono / Vintage GE VRII Mono / WAD 300b Power modded, TJ Mesh Plate Valves / David Coe AD Audio 'Satchmo' Pre & Phono / Hashimoto HM-7 SUT / Tannoy 12" MGs in RFC Custom Rutland Cabinets with RFC Custom Crossovers / Speaker Cables: Duelund DCA16GA Tinned Copper / SW1X Audio Design USB-SPdif / SW1X Audio Design DAC 1 Signature / Interconnects: Duelund DCA20GA home brew /SW1X Audio SPDIF AERO 6 / Synology NAS Drive / Roon / Tidal HiFi / Mains Power Conditioner

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    Typical, just bought a Kontrapunkt B lol.

    How would the Ikeda do for Rock and Electronic?

    I'm thinking it might be rather good going by the comments above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    Typical, just bought a Kontrapunkt B lol.

    How would the Ikeda do for Rock and Electronic?

    I'm thinking it might be rather good going by the comments above.
    It's very good with jazz .. can't say I tried it with rock or electronic (I'd have to dig hard here to find any ...).
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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