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    Running a denon dl103 with paratrace tip. This sounds really good but wondering what you get if you go up in price to one thousand, two thousand and ultra levels?

    Thanks! Tim

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    Small gains are to be had with some large price changes in my opinion.
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    I think it depends what you have further downstream..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    Small gains are to be had with some large price changes in my opinion.
    I agree. The law of diminishing returns hits hard with cartridges as prices go up. Of course, that's not to say proper expensive carts are not worth having.

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    I have high end kit. Focal scala utopias etc. So thanks for the opinions. What have you actually run / compared ?

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    Well I've got a couple of ZYX R100's and I won't be spending more.

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    Spooky ! Been meaning to ask the same question to see what folks think.

    Some high end carts are a heck of a lot of money no matter how you look at it and in my experince as you go up there are improvements but after a ceetain point they are small but welcome.

    I loved the 2M Black at around £460 and gradually moved up to it's bigger brother the Cadenza Black, now pushing £1850 plus.

    Do I feel you get £1400 worth of improvement with the Cadenza over the 2MB (to put it in that very simplistic manner)

    Err, to be honest £1400 is a BIG difference / a heck of a lot of dough put that way, so no.

    As has been said, Improvements are small after a certain point but the ask for those small improvements each time can be large (unfortunately)
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    RobbieGong
    I would say it depends on how much disposable income you have to spend . If I was Elton John I would not flinch at £2000 for a cartridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castroil View Post
    RobbieGong
    I would say it depends on how much disposable income you have to spend . If I was Elton John I would not flinch at £2000 for a cartridge.
    Some people I know used to run a pub in Watford in the 60's. They got various musicians in to supply live music. They got one young piano player in, he bashed the keys a bit hard, they sacked him. They sacked Elton!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spendorman View Post
    Some people I know used to run a pub in Watford in the 60's. They got various musicians in to supply live music. They got one young piano player in, he bashed the keys a bit hard, they sacked him. They sacked Elton!
    He was the pub pianist in The Northwood Hills Hotel around the mid sixties. We used to flick peanuts at him.

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