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    Running a denon dl103 with paratrace tip. This sounds really good but wondering what you get if you go up in price to one thousand, two thousand and ultra levels?

    Thanks! Tim

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    Small gains are to be had with some large price changes in my opinion.
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    I think it depends what you have further downstream..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    Small gains are to be had with some large price changes in my opinion.
    I agree. The law of diminishing returns hits hard with cartridges as prices go up. Of course, that's not to say proper expensive carts are not worth having.

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    I have high end kit. Focal scala utopias etc. So thanks for the opinions. What have you actually run / compared ?

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    Well I've got a couple of ZYX R100's and I won't be spending more.

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    Spooky ! Been meaning to ask the same question to see what folks think.

    Some high end carts are a heck of a lot of money no matter how you look at it and in my experince as you go up there are improvements but after a ceetain point they are small but welcome.

    I loved the 2M Black at around 460 and gradually moved up to it's bigger brother the Cadenza Black, now pushing 1850 plus.

    Do I feel you get 1400 worth of improvement with the Cadenza over the 2MB (to put it in that very simplistic manner)

    Err, to be honest 1400 is a BIG difference / a heck of a lot of dough put that way, so no.

    As has been said, Improvements are small after a certain point but the ask for those small improvements each time can be large (unfortunately)
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    RobbieGong
    I would say it depends on how much disposable income you have to spend . If I was Elton John I would not flinch at 2000 for a cartridge.

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    Recently, I felt no need to invest much more in a cartridge when I picked up a nearly new Kontrapunkt b (800ish New).

    A few days ago, a friend of mine came round with an Ortofon Vienna (2000 new) and an Audio Technica ART7 (999 new)

    The Audio Technica was very good and in some areas was better. A marginal improvement on the Kontrapunkt. The Vienna however, was a different league. Everything was better. The piano notes had better resonance, the soundstage was massive, the instrument separation was better and as a whole, I was left feeling like the Kontrapunkt had taken a beating and the Kontrapunkt is a fantastic cartridge.

    In my opinion, just because a cartridge is more expensive, won't mean its automatically better. You need to buy smart. Swapping a 2M black for Candenza black will bring refinement and poise but the characteristics will likely be similar due to house sound.
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    To be honest, I know 1000 plus MC's do improve on sound quality, but a considerably more modestly priced item can still offer great music enjoyment.

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