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    What are those Jerry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    What are those Jerry?
    I'm not sure!

    I was just looking for a good pic of a large side mounted woofer to show that you could have your cake and eat it.

    Audio Physik do similar speakers.
    And my MBLs have an 8 incher mounted on either side of the cab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    How do you distinguish between the big driver providing the slam and the wide baffle providing the slam? All speakers with big drivers have wide baffles out of necessity, you can't fit a fifteen on a narrow baffle.

    So we can never listen to a big driver on a narrow baffle to test if it still has as much slam. We could put a small driver on a wide baffle and see if it slams more than it does on a narrow one, I suppose. I guess somewhere that the research has been done, pretty much everything about speakers has been researched and tested to infinity. So I'm not saying that a wide baffle does not add to the slam, I simply don't know and I'm wary of jumping to conclusions about it without doing the required reading.
    Never mind reading, it's LISTENING to them that matters most...!

    I understand where you're coming from. However, I'm just talking about as an overall 'package' - and in that respect, in terms of large floorstanding speakers, I'd always take a good wide, single bass-driver big 'un, over a good slim, multiple smaller bass-driver big 'un

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    I was just looking for a good pic of a large side mounted woofer to show that you could have your cake and eat it.
    I have an aversion to speakers that have side or rear drivers or ports. To me it's just not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I have an aversion to speakers that have side or rear drivers or ports. To me it's just not right.
    I don't.
    My speakers have 4 side firers a piece and a rear port.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    I don't.
    My speakers have 4 side firers a piece and a rear port.
    Yes, but your speakers are not 'normal'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Now you see, that's *exactly* the type of slim-baffled large floorstanding speaker I don't like, with side-firing bass drivers, which simply don't produce the same slam and scale, as the likes of the smaller Hecos above, with one front-mounted single 12-inch woofer per speaker, although they certainly have plenty of deep bass.

    However, as I've said before, deep bass and palpable scale/slam are quite different things - and in my experience with floorstanding speaker designs, one front-mounted, say, 12-inch woofer, will excel at the scale/slam thing more than 2 x, say, 8-inch side-firing woofers.

    Theoretically, you might have a total cone area of 16" inches, but in practice, the one front-mounted 12-inch woofer will still produce more scale/slam (given that the internal volume of the speakers in question is the same or similar)! That's what my experience tells me anyway

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

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    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Never mind reading, it's LISTENING to them that matters most...!

    I understand where you're coming from. However, I'm just talking about as an overall 'package' - and in that respect, in terms of large floorstanding speakers, I'd always take a good wide, single bass-driver big 'un, over a good slim, multiple smaller bass-driver big 'un

    Marco.
    Listening only tells you what's going on, to find out why it's going on you need to do research. Or read someone else's research. Subjectivism is all well and good until you start speculating about why you are hearing what you are hearing. Then without doing the due diligence you can jump to all sorts of incorrect conclusions.

    As to your second para I'm in complete agreement.
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    Appropriately driven (e.g. with my old Krell KAV250a amp) my 2 sidefiring 8 inchers per speaker even impressed Justin with the bass slam they could deliver. Justin is not easily impressed in that regard.
    It's all in the implementation, imo, handy rules of thumb don't always apply.
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