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    Generally, I am disappointed with the music choices at hifi shows, though I am often surprised by the musical choices of audiophiles too: how many Dire Straits and Pink Floyd records can one repeatedly listen to? At shows, Shelby Lynne, Floyd, Fink, James Blake, Straits and shit jazz seems the norm, and that's on a good day!

    Surely, the music has to come first. Sounding great is a bonus but not the raison-d'etre. I have heard too many of us only listening to music that sounds good, and that limits the variety of music listened to significantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmarley View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldius View Post
    Generally, I am disappointed with the music choices at hifi shows, though I am often surprised by the musical choices of audiophiles too: how many Dire Straits and Pink Floyd records can one repeatedly listen to? At shows, Shelby Lynne, Floyd, Fink, James Blake, Straits and shit jazz seems the norm, and that's on a good day!

    Surely, the music has to come first. Sounding great is a bonus but not the raison-d'etre. I have heard too many of us only listening to music that sounds good, and that limits the variety of music listened to significantly.
    if you take a system that is balanced to impress with audiophile recordings, which many of these show systems are, that's all they can take a chance on playing. A simple mix, no chance of stressing the amp or the speakers, so the edginess will not show up. In fact the edginess makes the audiophile recording sound more 'real' and impressive. Put on a densely mixed bit of rock and you've got an unlistenable noise coming from your £50K worth of kit.

    This is why you get a certain sub-set of enthusiast who is always complaining about the supposedly terrible production on rock and pop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldius View Post
    Generally, I am disappointed with the music choices at hifi shows, though I am often surprised by the musical choices of audiophiles too: how many Dire Straits and Pink Floyd records can one repeatedly listen to? At shows, Shelby Lynne, Floyd, Fink, James Blake, Straits and shit jazz seems the norm, and that's on a good day!

    Surely, the music has to come first. Sounding great is a bonus but not the raison-d'etre. I have heard too many of us only listening to music that sounds good, and that limits the variety of music listened to significantly.
    Try asking for classical!

    Naim actually have their own record label and some good LP titles, but bizarrely they didn’t bring any to the Bristol show barring one (unknown) recording they wanted to promote - an LP they didn’t offer any facility to listen to.

    Whoever their marketing director is deserves to be fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Try asking for classical!

    Naim actually have their own record label and some good LP titles, but bizarrely they didn’t bring any to the Bristol show barring one (unknown) recording they wanted to promote - an LP they didn’t offer any facility to listen to.

    Whoever their marketing director is deserves to be fired.
    Anyone coming to the North West Audio Show in June is welcome to ask me to play anything they like, including classical, on vinyl or CD! I'll be doing mono, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmarley View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    What exactly is an 'aggressive speaker'?
    I would think something that makes your ears bleed and you want to switch off sound wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    I would think something that makes your ears bleed and you want to switch off sound wise
    Maybe, but I don't know of anyone making speakers like that.
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    Hi Ben,

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidburg View Post
    2. At one point (we were the only people in the room at this stage) I asked for a certain track to be played, the salesman said "yes that's going on next" and then proceeded to ignore me, faff about changing some leads and then play some thing completely different despite my request. The wife and I looked at each other then left the room thinking what's the point.
    If the person concerned was, Geoff, the owner of Acoustica (whom I know well), I'm a little surprised, as he's usually switched on enough to know that's not how to treat your potential customers. Btw, the Ferrari could well have been his, as he loves his sports cars!

    Since I gave up on Naim (and indeed most currently produced hi-fi equipment), I no longer attend 'hi-fi shows' that are designed simply to promote a particular dealer's product range, in this case that of Acoustica.

    However, I'm surprised that the sounds heard by visitors weren't better, as he used to know what he was doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    if you take a system that is balanced to impress with audiophile recordings, which many of these show systems are, that's all they can take a chance on playing. A simple mix, no chance of stressing the amp or the speakers, so the edginess will not show up. In fact the edginess makes the audiophile recording sound more 'real' and impressive. Put on a densely mixed bit of rock and you've got an unlistenable noise coming from your £50K worth of kit.

    This is why you get a certain sub-set of enthusiast who is always complaining about the supposedly terrible production on rock and pop.
    It's a bit of a conundrum. Usually I find stunning rock systems don't do simpler music with magic. It's certainly possible to find a decent compromise but if you want that certain magic with simpler high quality recordings then a good rock system doesn't cut it. Multiple systems and rooms.......and deep pockets is one answer.
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