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    When I visited MartinT the musical slamming against the wall was hugely impressive, it was "laugh out loud" astonishing. But his system missed out on so much else that is of higher value to me musically.
    Some of my favourite albums just failed to grip in the way that they do in my system. They were boring. It was quite shocking.
    It just wasn't a set of compromises that I would accept.
    Maybe you can have it all, I don't know, I somehow doubt it - so I choose the compromises that make most sense to me for my way of enjoying the music I like to listen to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian2957 View Post
    +1...I couldn't have put that better myself Jerry...
    I must say I'm rather surprised, as you don't 'voice' your cables that way, and which I've always found as very neutral and revealing... So how do you go about 'toning down your system, dynamically', Brian?

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    When I visited MartinT the musical slamming against the wall was hugely impressive, it was "laugh out loud" astonishing. But his system missed out on so much else that is of higher value to me musically.
    Some of my favourite albums just failed to grip in the way that they do in my system. They were boring. It was quite shocking.
    It just wasn't a set of compromises that I would accept.
    Interesting, was that in his new house or his old one? If it was the latter, then I can kind of see where you're coming from, although I wouldn't necessarily have put it quite like that. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that's the way it has to be!

    Maybe you can have it all, I don't know, I somehow doubt it - so I choose the compromises that make most sense to me for my way of enjoying the music I like to listen to.
    You're missing the point, mate. It not about HAVING it all (which I suspect is simply a pipe dream); it's about striving to have it all. As you'll appreciate, there's a difference!

    From what you've stated, however, you're not striving to have it all; you're deliberately making choices NOT to have it all...... If that's what you like, fine, but it's not something I'd ever choose to do.

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    When you're at a live classical concert, you don't ask the musicians on trumpet if they would mind turning it down a few notches. You enjoy the sound as it is... And it should take your head off!
    Ah, but should it take your head off?

    There's a fave classical track for orchestral slam - on the Decca label. Albeniz' Suite Espanola.
    I've heard it on MartinT's LP rig - and that was the laugh out loud experience. Astonishing!!!

    But I wondered at the time how realistic it actually was - I was and remain hugely doubtful if you would ever actually hear that kind of percussive shock wave in a concert hall.
    Out of curiosity, I bought a CD of that same recording.
    -- different world entirely. No over-emphasised SLAM, just a natural series of orchestral sforzandi*. Hugely less impressive in a way, but far far more natural imho.

    [* Sforzando sfz is an indication to make a strong, sudden accent on a note or chord. Sforzando literally means subito forzando (fz), which translates to “suddenly with force.]

    So, I think some systems exaggerate dynamics in an impressive but unnatural way.
    An orchestra should not "take your head off".
    Electronic music - sure, if the sound system allows it and/or it's on the recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Ah, but should it take your head off?
    Have you ever sat in the same room, close to where someone's playing a trumpet? If so, the answer is YES!

    Otherwise, how intense that sound is will depend on how far you're away from it. So the answer to what's right, in a hi-fi sense, is simply how it was meant to sound originally, which hopefully the recording has captured, and in turn your system is able to deliver!

    In that respect, if the sound of the trumpet originally was loud enough to take your head off, and the recording taken of it captured that sound faithfully, then that's the sound an accurate system playing that recording will reproduce. And vice versa, if it wasn't.

    Got to nip out for a bit, but will continue this later

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Because I don't usually want to be slammed against the wall.
    It can be fun, but mostly not. It's not what I am really into music for.
    I prefer it to be a bit toned down dynamically, to be just a bit relaxed - I can hear a bit more of what is going on then in other respects, imo.
    +2 FWIW. The Tannoys with the STA100 can quite easily put out a shockingly big wave of sound but I didn't actually find that out till Justin visited!

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    Aye, because Justers (like me) is not really a "toned down" or "relaxed" kinda guy, and showed you how your system should sound!



    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    +2 FWIW. The Tannoys with the STA100 can quite easily put out a shockingly big wave of sound but I didn't actually find that out till Justin visited!
    I take it you have the Radford at last then? Cool.

    Considering the size of the driver in each speaker, they do well on scale. I was surprised. They can't do "wall of bass" like mine, but the bass panel is at least 3-4 times the surface area of your cone!

    Anyway I am convinced your Tannoys are a flook, Tom. I've never heard a pair that good elsewhere at below silly cost.

    I bet they are better than Marcos. Much, much, much better (spot the wind up). Still, til Marco gets the balls to go see you... and get his heart broken, he will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    I take it you have the Radford at last then? Cool.

    Considering the size of the driver in each speaker, they do well on scale. I was surprised. They can't do "wall of bass" like mine, but the bass panel is at least 3-4 times the surface area of your cone!

    Anyway I am convinced your Tannoys are a flook, Tom. I've never heard a pair that good elsewhere at below silly cost.

    I bet they are better than Marcos. Much, much, much better (spot the wind up). Still, til Marco gets the balls to go see you... and get his heart broken, he will never know.
    Not yet ... but to be honest the wee STA25 does a remarkably good job with its 35 watts. I have been in contact with Will and have even booked a weekend in (hopefully by that time) sunny North Cornwall to pick it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    So how do you go about 'toning down your system, dynamically', Brian?


    Fancy having a go at this, mate?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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