You could have a look for some Transmission Line speakers, IMF or maybe TDL's they are the only other speakers I have heard that room fill like Cookys JBL and Tannoys do.
You could have a look for some Transmission Line speakers, IMF or maybe TDL's they are the only other speakers I have heard that room fill like Cookys JBL and Tannoys do.
Analogue
401 / PU7 / AT33ev
Longdog Audio Quartz turntable PSU
Longdog Audio MCJ1 - Prototype Phonostage
Digital
Innuos Zen Mini Mk 3
Topping D50s
Caiman Seg & Dorado
Cambridge CXC
Amps
Tron Seven Linestage
Bel Canto Set 40 or Nick Gorham built 300B Set Monoblocks
Speakers
Tannoy GRF Memory.
Tannoy ST100.
I've got some IMF TLS 50s and they do have that weight to them, but they are not quite the same. Probably as close as you will get for budget money, though. I suspect the professional PMC TLs would do the job too but then you are back into big money and you might as well just get the JBLs.
Current Lash Up:
TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.
I know the TLS 50. They do deep and solid, but don't really slam.
I've just remembered another speaker that packs a surprising wallop and in not too huge a box. The original KEF Concerto. Bung 'em on a clean punchy amp and they really boogie!
And they're much more tonally accurate than the Goodmans, Celestion and Wharfedale competitors. £100 to £150 picks up a decent pair. They are comparatively a bargain these days.
+1 on the older KEF range, anything up to the 90s.
I have 2 pairs of KEF C200 SW Subs, one set paired with KEF C15s and the other with KEF C25s and both sound extremely clear, loud and more bass than I could ever use. Idea behind them was to take the lower frequencies from the bookshelf speakers so they could achieve better clarity and sound which does work really well.
Also have a pair of KEF K160s connected to my AV which provide plenty of sound which too is clear and detailed.
The thing about bass is that is not just bass or no bass. Bass should have depth, slam, articulation, presence and tonality. There's very few speakers that can do all five to any degree and even fewer can do all five really well. And the amp and source play a part here too. No speaker can replace what is not there to begin with.
When I got the IMFs hooked up I could not believe how much bass energy there was on some recordings that I'd previously thought were a little bass light in production. As Geoff says, they don't do the slam so well. Or the articulation. But the depth and the presence!
Current Lash Up:
TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.
I wonder how much driver diameter /size of wavefront plays a part as I too fail to get that scale thing even when subs underpin a medium say Mission 770/Spendor BC1 type of box.
I also have 12" JBL's with Array horns that also can do scale but not well as the 15" Tannoys or 15" JBL's but 12" Tannoys in decent cabs can do it in spades.
I also heard Impulse H2's at Strummers place make some ATC 50 A's sound weedy and small-The H2 were/are a bargain in that regard. Tannoy used to call it 'expanding sound source' in the olden days(when referring to their rear loaded horn cabs.
Yes. It's surprising how many speakers are well down on output by the time they go below maybe 45Hz. You don't notice on most music, but then if you have speakers that deliver a real 30Hz and below if you're lucky, the difference is very obvious with the right recording.
Try playing 'Are You Shpongled' through the average speaker and the 'boomps' on the first track intro are faint and nothing spectacular. Through my Cheviots, the 'boomps' are transformed into powerful and very deep wallops.
Of course you can have a big scale sound without a lot of bass too. I prefer it that way tbh. Bass should be seen and not heard
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My big Coral horns had monstrous bass slam, but little output below about 40Hz. The the impact above that was huge though. They'd have yer trousers flapping against yer legs! I guess the whopping magnets and 102db sensitivity helped.
That's what I thought made the difference between two drivers of the same size.
Was reading something about the evolution of the KEF company a while back and there was something about the engineers trying to get more air movement from smaller drivers with bigger magnets, more coil and better materials which they did successfully.