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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I've produced weight, slam and scale from two paralled five and a half inch drivers.

    But that was in huge, constant width, folded back loaded horn cabinets!

    (wish I still had photos)
    I was just about to ask! Impulse H2s sounded huge but I haven't heard many other horns. Probably not gonna be under 4 figures these days though but I live in hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby View Post
    This was more the sort of speaker I envisaged people in search of a huge sound moving away from rather than towards. Small floorstanders with twin 6 1/2 in bass units won't produce the sort of scale you'd get from a big JBL or Tannoy.
    You might be surprised, you obviously haven't heard any 3050s, I use them for HC as well as music and they are extremely capable. Getting a big sound as such is very room dependent, in a large room you don't necessarily need big speakers with big drivers to achieve it. Scale quite often comes down to sheer bass extension and the ability to shift air, my 3050s are flat to below 40hz with only a gentle roll off from there down to the cutoff frequency in my living room at 28hz, in a larger room they may go lower still.
    My second tier system speakers, Jordan Eikona 2 VTLs are also capable of a big sound with only a 4" driver, admittedly with the help of a transmission line cabinet, they go almost as low as the 3050s but the small driver does limit maximum volume somewhat although they certainly have enough volume for an average to large living room unless you're a rock music loving headbanger


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    You could try some Cadence if you ever see them. Great sound from my Amayas for the price (sold em now though!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z View Post
    You might be surprised, you obviously haven't heard any 3050s, I use them for HC as well as music and they are extremely capable. Getting a big sound as such is very room dependent, in a large room you don't necessarily need big speakers with big drivers to achieve it. Scale quite often comes down to sheer bass extension and the ability to shift air, my 3050s are flat to below 40hz with only a gentle roll off from there down to the cutoff frequency in my living room at 28hz, in a larger room they may go lower still.
    My second tier system speakers, Jordan Eikona 2 VTLs are also capable of a big sound with only a 4" driver, admittedly with the help of a transmission line cabinet, they go almost as low as the 3050s but the small driver does limit maximum volume somewhat although they certainly have enough volume for an average to large living room unless you're a rock music loving headbanger
    I'm just wondering if you have heard any large Tannoy dual concentrics or JBLs?

    I'm currently using some JM Labs speakers which are considerably larger and generally more accomplished than the Q acoustic 3050 and they still sound like toys compared to the Tannoys or gerbils. It's a whole different ballgame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I'm just wondering if you have heard any large Tannoy dual concentrics or JBLs?

    I'm currently using some JM Labs speakers which are considerably larger and generally more accomplished than the Q acoustic 3050 and they still sound like toys compared to the Tannoys or gerbils. It's a whole different ballgame.
    It's a long time since I heard any big Tannoys, if memory serves me I thought they were pretty horrendous at the time, not very well controlled and very coloured in the midrange. I don't tend to consider very big speakers as I just don't have the room for them, the 3050s are about as big as I can accommodate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z View Post
    It's a long time since I heard any big Tannoys, if memory serves me I thought they were pretty horrendous at the time, not very well controlled and very coloured in the midrange. I don't tend to consider very big speakers as I just don't have the room for them, the 3050s are about as big as I can accommodate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I'm just wondering if you have heard any large Tannoy dual concentrics or JBLs?

    I'm currently using some JM Labs speakers which are considerably larger and generally more accomplished than the Q acoustic 3050 and they still sound like toys compared to the Tannoys or gerbils. It's a whole different ballgame.
    I was thinking that myself when I read the post. There's not a 4in driver in the world can get anywhere close to filling a room like 12 or 15in DC Tannoys. (Well maybe if you used a stack of 5-6 of them each side and even then ...). It's not about bass extension in the least. Some models of LV can go to 30hz but for all their ability with detail just sound weedy and pathetic compared to big Tannoys (or indeed, to the larger 'gerbils'!). Cat coffins don't cut it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby View Post
    I was just about to ask! Impulse H2s sounded huge but I haven't heard many other horns. Probably not gonna be under 4 figures these days though but I live in hope.
    ha , i bought some impulse ta`us recently for just over half that and man.....they sound BIG ....... compared to my rienzis pictured

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z View Post
    It's a long time since I heard any big Tannoys, if memory serves me I thought they were pretty horrendous at the time, not very well controlled and very coloured in the midrange. I don't tend to consider very big speakers as I just don't have the room for them, the 3050s are about as big as I can accommodate.
    Yep, I have also heard big Tannoys sounding terrible and if that had been my only experience I wouldn't give them a second thought either. But there is a world of difference between some vintage Lancasters that have not been touched since they were built in 1970 and a properly sorted set in well-constructed cabs. I was at Scalford in 2012 when they had examples of both and it was educational.

    Regarding the space, you can put the big Tannoys in a tiny room, jammed up into the corners and they will work perfectly well. Whereas I'm guessing the 3050 will need at least a little space around them so as not to sound a little boomy or thick. So in practice they will take up about the same amount of room. Big JBLs, on the other hand, do need a bit of space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Yep, I have also heard big Tannoys sounding terrible and if that had been my only experience I wouldn't give them a second thought either. But there is a world of difference between some vintage Lancasters that have not been touched since they were built in 1970 and a properly sorted set in well-constructed cabs. I was at Scalford in 2012 when they had examples of both and it was educational.

    Regarding the space, you can put the big Tannoys in a tiny room, jammed up into the corners and they will work perfectly well. Whereas I'm guessing the 3050 will need at least a little space around them so as not to sound a little boomy or thick. So in practice they will take up about the same amount of room. Big JBLs, on the other hand, do need a bit of space.
    The 3050s do need a bit of space but even in non ideal positions they never sound boomy or thick just a little weightier, QA supply soft foam bungs for the ports which do work quite well provided you only push them in slightly, personally that takes a bit too much off the very low end for my liking.
    I’ve “tuned” my ports with bungs made from compacted drinking straws which gives a lighter resistive loading than the foam which works perfectly in my room, it doesn’t affect extension but it makes the bass tighter and just reduces the level a little, took a bit of work but the result is perfect.


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