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    Maybe use s bit more vtf if your not at limit
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    I use the Cambridge CP2 phono stage with an ATF7 moving coil and it sound extremely good and it certainly doesn’t lack bass in my system. I have tried the ATF7 with a Rega Fono MC and it did give slightly better SQ but the difference was not worth paying double the price.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder5 View Post
    Let's explore a bit deeper please, what interconnects are you using, are they the same? Try swapping them over and see if it makes a difference.

    My turntable was sounding poor recently and although the cartridge had been set up a while ago, somehow things moved.
    Cartridge VTA and downforce.
    Cambridge Audio Pacific (1m) leads.

    Edit: just tried with 0.5m of Chord Carnivals; slightly better.

    Thanks
    Last edited by Bonky; 14-04-2018 at 14:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Cambridge Audio Pacific (1m) leads.

    Edit: just tried with 0.5m of Chord Carnivals; slightly better.

    Thanks
    I thought Chord Carnival was a speaker cable, I could be wrong tho. Were these on your digital side ie did you swap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder5 View Post
    I thought Chord Carnival was a speaker cable, I could be wrong tho. Were these on your digital side ie did you swap?
    Apologies...of course... Chord C-line; now trying the Cambridge 500 series.

    Yes I did swap the cables.

    Thanks
    My Gear:
    Source component/s:
    Cambridge CXC Cd player; Inspire Apollo deck + Roksan Nima arm + AT-33PTG; Pioneer F656 tuner; Logitech Squeezebox Touch. Rpi + also Digione.
    Amplification: WD KEL84+ valve amp; Rega Brio, Quad 3066 (DADA modded). Trichord Dino2 & Dino+ PS; .

    Loudspeakers:
    Living Voice auditorium IBX-R2

    Cables/stands: Chords; Van Dammes 4mm

    Any other hi-fi bits:
    Beresford SEG DAC; Apple's airport express; Apple iMac i5; Senn HD598, 467, 650s. Beresford Bushmaster.
    Linear PSs for Rpi and DAC. Pure mains conditioning.

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    Default Phono pre-amp advice please

    Thanks everyone; much appreciated.

    Deleted. Don't add it again please. and 2nd-hand Croft have been suggested.

    I've played around: changed cables,; increased tracking weight; changed the position of the Cambridge CP2 (it seems sensitive to nearby mains interference), But ..and it's a big 'but', the sound is still inferior to the digital sources (less muddled, slightly better top end etc). I know the two sources will sound different, but I was hoping for an approx. parity.

    At least the bass has improved a little.

    I'm tempted by the 2nd-hand Leema and by some of the Pro-Ject tube amps..but am very much open to suggestions/advice.
    Last edited by struth; 14-04-2018 at 19:03.
    My Gear:
    Source component/s:
    Cambridge CXC Cd player; Inspire Apollo deck + Roksan Nima arm + AT-33PTG; Pioneer F656 tuner; Logitech Squeezebox Touch. Rpi + also Digione.
    Amplification: WD KEL84+ valve amp; Rega Brio, Quad 3066 (DADA modded). Trichord Dino2 & Dino+ PS; .

    Loudspeakers:
    Living Voice auditorium IBX-R2

    Cables/stands: Chords; Van Dammes 4mm

    Any other hi-fi bits:
    Beresford SEG DAC; Apple's airport express; Apple iMac i5; Senn HD598, 467, 650s. Beresford Bushmaster.
    Linear PSs for Rpi and DAC. Pure mains conditioning.

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    How have you got the Inspire Apollo sighted?

    On a shelf or table, is it well isolated from feedback?
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    I'm still not sure your getting the best out of what you have, just a feeling tho.

    Beg, borrow, maybe not steal another phono stage before you part with your cash, is the cartridge new? Some cartridge's take an age to come on song. I had an AT 440mlb ( I know it's MM) that sounded just as you described, till probably 50 hours use!

    You say your local dealer does Pro-ject go twist his arm.

    I have a Pro-ject Tube Box II, that now sounds good but.....it needed better valves and a better power supply, so my cost to get this far with it was :- bought secondhand £100, valve rolling till I was happy probably £150, linear power supply £118, so £360 ish.

    Hindsight I could have done better with something else but experimenting got the better of me....lol.

    When I do it again I will get a stage that has adjustable gain, loading etc.

    Again, my advice try before you buy

    Good luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Thanks everyone; much appreciated.

    2nd-hand Croft have been suggested.

    I've played around: changed cables,; increased tracking weight; changed the position of the Cambridge CP2 (it seems sensitive to nearby mains interference), But ..and it's a big 'but', the sound is still inferior to the digital sources (less muddled, slightly better top end etc). I know the two sources will sound different, but I was hoping for an approx. parity.

    At least the bass has improved a little.

    I'm tempted by the 2nd-hand Leema and by some of the Pro-Ject tube amps..but am very much open to suggestions/advice.

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    Default Phono pre-amp advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Thanks everyone; much appreciated.

    Deleted. 2nd-hand Croft have been suggested.

    I've played around: changed cables,; increased tracking weight; changed the position of the Cambridge CP2 (it seems sensitive to nearby mains interference), But ..and it's a big 'but', the sound is still inferior to the digital sources (less muddled, slightly better top end etc). I know the two sources will sound different, but I was hoping for an approx. parity.

    At least the bass has improved a little.

    I'm tempted by the 2nd-hand Leema and by some of the Pro-Ject tube amps..but am very much open to suggestions/advice.
    Save up and buy a Firebottle - Vivant. Super bit of kit.
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    We all know the rules or should by now.
    Regards,
    Grant ....

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