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    How about this (unrelated) myth:

    A friend of mine claims that the commonly agreed upon knowledge that guitar strings go dead after being played for some time is a myth. He says that regardless of whether a guitar string is clean or dirty, it vibrates at the frequency you have tuned it to, and that's it. Obviously, a dirty string generates the same measurement by the oscilloscope as the squeaky clean string.

    So my friend thinks that the perception that a dirty guitar string sounds 'dead' is pure placebo.

    If someone were to stretch that analogy, one might say that there is no difference between various hi fi systems. It's all in our heads.

    I've heard someone compared an ultra high end turntable side-by-side with the entry level turntable and could not hear any difference...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    I always get Diana Krall mixed up with Alison Krauss. Not that I've ever listened to either of them. One of them is/was married to Elvis Costello, whose father went to my school. Now that's what I call an extremely tentative link to a famous person.
    Now that was stressful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I know where you're coming from (and largely agree with the rest of your post), but I assure you it's a fallacy that properly designed valve amps measure badly in comparison with SS amps; it simply depends on what you're measuring, and also how you choose to interpret the results

    Plus, any valve amp that sounds "devine", for the right reasons [i.e. reproduces voices and instruments in a lifelike and natural way] rather than simply because its euphonic coloration is seductive, will almost certainly also measure well. Mine certainly does!

    I've yet to hear a valve amp that measures poorly, sound good - that is 'good', for the right reasons, as outlined above.

    Marco.
    I totally agree with you Marco, I had to take my Art Audio Quintet to Graeme at Ampregen recently for a couple of small repairs, & he told me he was impressed with how it measured & how quiet it was. I was thinking of trying another amp as it hadn't really been doing it for me before the repair, although it worked okay & sounded okay, but I was shocked when I got it back how much better it was than pre repair, just as shocked as I was when I first heard it & bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    Number 8 is NOT an audiophile myth. Everyone knows that those albums are pure drivel.

    I'd replace your Number 8 myth with the myth that there is no difference in various pressings of an LP. The differences in various pressings could be enormous.
    Both very fair points. Although I doubt you would find an audiophile who would suggest that there is never a difference in pressings. Even I will agree that it can be significant. Although if the re-pressing is also a re-master then all bets are off.

    I may be needlessly hyphenating again there. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I may be needlessly hyphenating again there. Sorry.
    De-hyphenated posts are preferable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    I sometimes wonder where all these alleged assertive, bullying objectivists hang out.
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe
    I have, for my sins, been on audio forums for 25 years now.
    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain.

    Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it [on Wigwam]!

    You might not notice these 'characters' as much as others, because you don't wind them up or are simply more tolerant of their 'excesses', but the reality is they're alive and kicking on most hi-fi forums, generally making it an unpleasant place for anyone to be who doesn't sign up to their audio 'world view'.

    OTOH there's plenty of subjectivists wishing to assert that theirs is the one true way to audio nirvana.
    In all honestly, where? Can you cite one example? Perhaps that's simply how you interpret someone's passion or enthusiasm for something they like, and which for them works? I've only seen, certainly on here, opinions being vociferously expressed or experiences passionately related, not anyone 'asserting that their way is the one true path'...

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:



    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain. Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it!

    You might not notice these 'characters' as much as others because you don't wind them up or are simply more tolerant of their 'excesses', but the reality is they're alive and kicking on most hi-fi forums, generally making it an unpleasant place for anyone to be who doesn't sign up to their audio 'world view'.



    In all honestly, where? Can you cite one example? Perhaps that's simply how you interpret someone's passion or enthusiasm for something they like, and which works? I've only seen, certainly on here, opinions being vociferously expressed or experiences passionately related, not anyone 'asserting that their way is the one true path'...

    Marco.
    All good points, Marco, and, on a somewhat unrelated note, you made me a bit worried now -- I've been on this forum for quite some time already, and still haven't been banned. Hmm, I'm getting old, losing my edge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:



    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain. Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it!
    I posted only rarely on Zerogain*, and hardly at all on Wigwam; never had any grief on either, or on pfm for that matter. Whatever the forum, it's usually the same cast of characters knocking seven shades of shit out of each other, whilst the majority look on, bemused. Eventually some get banned and start their own forums.

    * Actually someone was rude about my musical tastes on Zerogain.

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    Well, I was only answering your earlier question of 'Where are all these alleged assertive, bullying objectivists?' Just because you haven't had any grief from them, doesn't mean that they don't (or didn't) exist

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post

    Actually someone was rude about my musical tastes on Zerogain.
    If you like The Smiths or U2* then fair comment, otherwise I agree very rude, how dare they.

    *I'm guessing this event pre-dates Diana Krall. Otherwise add her in as well.
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