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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    Just look at the large number of systems that sell on the basis of bloated bass heavy speakers and sledgehammer graphic equalisers.
    Indeed, but that's not hi-fi - and if you're into that type of sound, then you really shouldn't be posting on a forum such as this

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

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    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Marco's post #53 sums a lot up rather nicely, thank-you! Interesting post OP!
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    It's interesting to note that many previous 'flat-earthers' are now using Japanese DD turntables, valve amps, and big Tannoy speakers. Were they wrong before, and right now? Were their flat-earth systems more accurate, or less accurate than what they are now using? Or have they just switched from one 'flavour' of sound to another?

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    What is accuracy? Does anybody know? Is it what a piano sounds like in my room because I’ve never tried that, so how would I know that it’s accurate?
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    Joe, I have wondered about this too at times, mainly when I have gone back and looked at various reviewers systems and how they have changed focus over the course of time(some in hardly any time at all). Then I step back and think about my own journey and realize for myself, I can enjoy many different types of "flavours", maybe it is mood, maybe other things. I think the main thing is, other than the talk about accuracy and all that business, it is more about what each one of us enjoys out of our own setup, and in that, is there really a right or wrong? Maybe, but it is really up to each of us individually to make that call within our own system. I think too, all of this should be fun and not so painful as some seem to want to make it, myself included at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive197 View Post
    What is accuracy? Does anybody know? Is it what a piano sounds like in my room because I’ve never tried that, so how would I know that it’s accurate?
    Accuracy, hi-fidelity in the true sense of the word, means accurate reproduction of the recording not the accurate reproduction of live instruments. The recording may have captured a sound very close to live instruments, or it may not, but that is irrelevant when it comes to playback.

    A subtle but important difference that many overlook in their quest for what is 'accurate'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed, but that's not hi-fi - and if you're into that type of sound, then you really shouldn't be posting on a forum such as this

    Marco.
    You have misrepresented my post. What I said was that accuracy is obviously not an objective for everyone. I used hyperbole to demonstrate this in the extreme.

    However, even within this "elite" forum, there are those who advocate and praise equipment that is clearly not accurate, and that they like this equipment precisely beacuse it is not accurate. Personally, I cannot understand the interest in speakers from the 60s and 70s that have an overly warm and obviously coloured sound and a limited high frequency response. I nonetheless accept that is what those users like: it's just not for me. Having said that, I still have a Linn LP12 and over 1,000 albums even though I recognise the colouration in vinyl reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    It's interesting to note that many previous 'flat-earthers' are now using Japanese DD turntables, valve amps, and big Tannoy speakers. Were they wrong before, and right now? Were their flat-earth systems more accurate, or less accurate than what they are now using? Or have they just switched from one 'flavour' of sound to another?
    An interesting question. The reason for that transition, as far as I'm concerned [although I was never a 'flat-earther in the true sense of the word], is simply due to a state of evolution, i.e. my system and preferences having evolved through time, as a result of learning how to achieve a better sound (based on my criteria for such), which is as Macca says, getting as close as possible to accurately reproducing the recording.

    In my opinion (and that of others whose ears I trust), the system I have now does that markedly better than the one I had 10 years ago. It's all about making genuine progress, and TBH, if your system of 10 years ago is better than the one you've got now, then you haven't made much progress!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frazeur1 View Post
    Joe, I have wondered about this too at times, mainly when I have gone back and looked at various reviewers systems and how they have changed focus over the course of time(some in hardly any time at all). Then I step back and think about my own journey and realize for myself, I can enjoy many different types of "flavours", maybe it is mood, maybe other things. I think the main thing is, other than the talk about accuracy and all that business, it is more about what each one of us enjoys out of our own setup, and in that, is there really a right or wrong? Maybe, but it is really up to each of us individually to make that call within our own system. I think too, all of this should be fun and not so painful as some seem to want to make it, myself included at times.
    I've been from SS to valves and back again. Each does its 'thing', and each has upsides and downsides. Given the vagaries of room shapes and sizes, and individuals' acuity (or otherwise) of hearing, and it's just plain daft to think that one size will ever fit all. And although I don't believe that systems should favour one musical genre over another, a system that suits the needs of someone who listens mainly to small-scale classical music may well not be suitable for a metal or reggae fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    You have misrepresented my post. What I said was that accuracy is obviously not an objective for everyone. I used hyperbole to demonstrate this in the extreme.
    Lol - no, I simply quoted the bit I wanted to expand upon.

    However, even within this "elite" forum, there are those who advocate and praise equipment that is clearly not accurate, and that they like this equipment precisely beacuse it is not accurate.
    In terms of the bit in bold, who says so, and why?

    Ultimately, it's all about enjoying what you've got, even if it isn't 'accurate', but I'd argue that the true audiophiles among us will always STRIVE (there's that word again) to achieve the type of accuracy Macca has outlined, which is faithfulness to source recording [count me in].

    Personally, I cannot understand the interest in speakers from the 60s and 70s that have an overly warm and obviously coloured sound and a limited high frequency response.
    Lol - you obviously haven't heard what really GOOD vintage speakers can do, when properly sorted!

    Martin, do my 1960s Tannoys sound "warm and coloured"? And while we're at it, define "coloured"?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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