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    Quote Originally Posted by oldius View Post
    True Marco. However, budgets often only allow us to hear products at a certain level. At that level, it's worth hearing a range of equipment to determine our preference, in our own context which may be far from optimal.
    Completely agree, Geoff, which is why it's always good to bear the latter in mind. I think it's fairly safe to say that you're more likely to hear a good SS amp, than a valve one, simply because the former are generally easier to make sound good, and often rather more cheaply, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    I’ve listened to a prototype hybrid valve stage that Jez built and thought that very good, but I haven’t yet heard any full valve stages I could personally enjoy*. I’ve heard various valve amps I have liked - the current Trilogy stuff for example.

    * Actually, that’s not true - the Tron Convergence was very good.
    Absolutely, Mark. And how much is the above Tron, 3k or more?

    My point being that, just like with amps, you don't get 'affordable' great sounding valve phono stages, which are widely available, apart from those the likes of Glenn Croft builds into his preamps, or if you're a member here, those from small specialist makers, such as Firebottle.

    I'm not really into hybrid designs, as most (but not all) to my ears, rather than being the 'best of both worlds', end up being a master of none...

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    The Tron is relatively cheap - 1K for the MM version and 1.2 for the MC.

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    That's much less than I'd imagined, so definitely on the 'SPPV' list

    You know where I'm coming from, though.

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    I'm very pleased that the show went ahead and that all the visitors and exhibitors seemed to enjoy themselves.

    The show serves a great purpose, getting a bunch of otherwise anti-social old duffer's together for a great time and showcasing home hi-fi to the general public.

    Sort of like care in the community, enacted to music 😀
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    That's much less than I'd imagined, so definitely on the 'SPPV' list

    You know where I'm coming from, though.

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    Well yes, I guess I do and I don’t. I heard the Tron at a friends house and I want expecting to be as impressed as I was. In particular, it really didn’t do anything badly which is not as easy to achieve as one would think. However, he played it against his (then) Paradise and although their bone structure was similar I honestly thought the Paradise was a league beyond in terms of subtlety, nuance and absolute dynamic. But these things are in the ear of the individual.

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    That's fair enough, Mark. However, you're comparing a 'no compromise' bespoke designed DIY phono stage, against a mid-market commercially produced one, so hardly a fair contest.

    How much do you think the Paradise would cost if it were produced by, say, Naim, and sold through their dealer network? I'm guessing more than 1200.

    And does GT Audio produce a more expensive valve phono stage than the Tron one you mention?

    [Edit: just looked, and the Convergence appears to be they entry-level unit. Perhaps the Seven, shown here (or the mono version), would be more of a match for the Paradise: http://www.tron-electric.co.uk/phono...n-phono-stage/

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    Oh yes, don’t get me wrong, I was really very impressed by the Tron and particularly so given the cost! It really is a bit of a bargain. I listened to the MC version and there was very little hum or hiss, which (as you know) is rare in high gain all valve stages.

    Also, as you say, it’s not a fair comparison. It is estimated that the Paradise would retail circa 6K+ if produced professionally , so more in line with Trons more expensive gear (which I don’t think I’ve ever heard).

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    Yups

    With these things, one always has to compare 'like with like'. It says something for the Convergence, though, that it wasn't disgraced by the Paradise, given the significant disparity in cost between both, and suggests that the more expensive models in the Tron range would be capable of pushing the Paradise all the way.

    Btw, don't be so surprised that good quality, well-designed valve phono stages are as quiet as you've described. There's no reason for them not to be, if built properly. I wouldn't tolerate anything less - and when you're using a solid-state head amplifier, in conjunction with a valve MM stage, like I do, the noise is even less

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yups

    With these things, one always has to compare 'like with like'. It says something for the Convergence, though, that it wasn't disgraced by the Paradise, given the significant disparity in cost between both, and suggests that the more expensive models in the Tron range would be capable of pushing the Paradise all the way.

    Btw, don't be so surprised that good quality, well-designed valve phono stages are as quiet as you've described. There's no reason for them not to be, if built properly. I wouldn't tolerate anything less - and when you're using a solid-state head amplifier, in conjunction with a valve MM stage, like I do, the noise is even less

    Marco.
    I have a Tron convergence stage (albeit one that has had a tweaking by FB) and recently had it up against a Paradise stage owned by BKsabbath of this parish. I don't know much about his paradise stage but he seemed very impressed with the Tron. There's a thread covering it in the bake off section.
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