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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    To my knowledge, the only two serious complaints about DL-103 are spherical stylus and plastic body.
    no complaints from me at all,i have used a 2m black, a decca c4e with a extended line contact tip,and lastly before the denon a cadenza black,i dont hand on heart miss any off them compared to the 103sa.and the beautiful thing is because of the spherical tip you dont have to sod about for hrs messing with the SRA angle!

    the trick is listening to people who know what they are talking about regarding the 103 and following there recommendations if i was in your shoes id be concentrating on getting a better matched arm rather than fancy bodies.
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers ,Pioneer PLC-590 turntable,Pioneer PA-5000,Alphason HR-100S-MCS,Zeta tonearms,Denon 103SA Cartridge's,Denon HA-500 Head Amp, John Wood KT88 Valve Amp,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    no complaints from me at all,i have used a 2m black, a decca c4e with a extended line contact tip,and lastly before the denon a cadenza black,i dont hand on heart miss any off them compared to the 103sa.and the beautiful thing is because of the spherical tip you dont have to sod about for hrs messing with the SRA angle!

    the trick is listening to people who know what they are talking about regarding the 103 and following there recommendations if i was in your shoes id be concentrating on getting a better matched arm rather than fancy bodies.
    The 103sa has an improved body already.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    yes i know lucky me
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers ,Pioneer PLC-590 turntable,Pioneer PA-5000,Alphason HR-100S-MCS,Zeta tonearms,Denon 103SA Cartridge's,Denon HA-500 Head Amp, John Wood KT88 Valve Amp,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    yes i know lucky me
    Iím not too sure if you guys think your better than the original designers?

    Why change something that works?

    If the Highphonic guys thought an aluminium body would be the bees knees.... why didnít they supply the said item?

    Confused!!! Or perhaps is something to do with an end price point.?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    I’m not too sure if you guys think your better than the original designers?

    Why change something that works?

    If the Highphonic guys thought an aluminium body would be the bees knees.... why didn’t they supply the said item?

    Confused!!! Or perhaps is something to do with an end price point.?


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    i dont,mine is totally bog standard,denon themselves put it in a different body lol
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers ,Pioneer PLC-590 turntable,Pioneer PA-5000,Alphason HR-100S-MCS,Zeta tonearms,Denon 103SA Cartridge's,Denon HA-500 Head Amp, John Wood KT88 Valve Amp,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    I’m not too sure if you guys think your better than the original designers?

    Why change something that works?

    If the Highphonic guys thought an aluminium body would be the bees knees.... why didn’t they supply the said item?

    Confused!!! Or perhaps is something to do with an end price point.?


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    Could be the end price point. Manufacturers face stiff competition, and as much as they'd love to offer highest possible quality, they gotta stop at a certain point. Else they'd price themselves out of the market.

    That's why we're seeing a lot of aftermarket activities. It stands to reason that DL-103 engineers didn't really come to the conclusion: "Yep, plastic body is definitely the best possible body for this type of cartridge." No, they probably thought "if we now add high quality body, we'd have to jack up the price and would therefore lose significant portion of the market."

    But people in the know tried to improve and have managed to get to the point where the cartridge does sound even better than the vanilla one does.

    Another similar 'half baked' product are the Magnepan speakers (Maggies). They are fantastic speakers that ship out of the factory in a sub-standard body (MDF). Magnepan realized that if they went all the way and incorporated high quality hardwood body, they'd have to charge much more and would therefore lose portion of their potential market. So the aftermarket kicked in and many people replaced MDF with hardwood body, thus lifting this already magnificent speaker to even higher levels of performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    I’m not too sure if you guys think your better than the original designers?

    Why change something that works?

    If the Highphonic guys thought an aluminium body would be the bees knees.... why didn’t they supply the said item?

    Confused!!! Or perhaps is something to do with an end price point.?
    I wouldn't call Highphonic 'designers' they are modding someone else's product - to good effect I'm sure but if their expertise is in modifying the coils, they wouldn't necessarily change the body as well.

    I had one of their SUT's once it was quite good.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Thanks guys, an interesting concept. As Iím using the Denon Pro on a daily basis,,, Iím very happy with the sound output and modification is not necessary. (Or it would be a different experience)

    However, we all have our own concept on what we like.... I guess thatís what itís all about!!!


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    The musicality of the DL103-R is why I snapped up a used Zu Audio DL103-R a couple of years back https://www.zuaudio.com/turntable/zudl-103.

    +1 for the DL103 in all its forms.

    Steve

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    I've just received a DL103R, rebuilt into a rosewood body and a new sapphire cantilever with a fine line tip on loan to try out.

    Was just wondering if anyone on here has had something similar?
    Looking forward to listening to it, not sure if it will be a happy match but hopefully it will.
    Chris

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