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    I fully concur with all that you've just written, including the fact that ProAc R2s need high-mass stands, such as the Target ones mentioned, which were purpose-built for them

    Quite frankly, anyone who *seriously* thinks that speaker stands qualify as "foo", doesn't have a scooby-doo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I fully concur with all that you've just written

    Quite frankly, anyone who *seriously* thinks that speaker stands qualify as "foo", doesn't have a scooby-doo!

    Marco.
    That was quite obviously a tongue in cheek comment.

    However there is an huge amount of crap talked about speaker stands (we have had a classic example from the magazines on this thread). I've owned in the region of 30 different sets of speakers over the years, plenty more than is needed in order to discern what is reality and what is fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That was quite obviously a tongue in cheek comment.
    Thank fuck for that, as I was beginning to worry about you!!

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    Here's a thought - I wonder if a lot (most/all?) of the improvements reported from using speaker spikes is just that the speaker has been raised and there is an air gap between speaker and floor. Nothing to do with spikiness at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Here's a thought - I wonder if a lot (most/all?) of the improvements reported from using speaker spikes is just that the speaker has been raised and there is an air gap between speaker and floor. Nothing to do with spikiness at all.
    Almost certainly. I used some dice to raise a floorstander up off the carpet once, it was a change of sound and an improvement. All the coupling/decoupling business with spikes is classic bullshit baffles brains.
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    The design of my speakers is such that the thin unbraced cabinet walls flex rather a lot more than modern speakers and are therefore massively affected by what they stand on. I have tried numerous stands and different materials and they all have a large influence on how the speaker performs especially in the bass region.

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    I'll confess to there being a difference between pillar stands and open frame types. But not speaker dependant for me, I always prefer the open frame type. Or 3 legged stools which is the same idea. Too much mass in the stand you can get thuddy bass. Although some prefer that, especially with bass-light speakers.
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    As with so much else in this hobby, good quality materials and construction is worth paying for, the rest bollocks.

    Use your wooden shelfs etc as long as they get the speakers to the right level and don't vibrate other sensitive components like turntables.
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    What about wall mounted for suitable speakers, such as my recent purchase the Spendor S3/5R? Infinite stability for sure?
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    I think it is agreed that spikes will stabilise greatly, but that their other properties are less desirable.

    I didn't read the article, but it seems that they are applying the conservation of momentum law; mass times velocity, but the velocities of the cones and domes are varied, depending on frequency and amplitude.

    I suppose a step waveform is the best tool to use for measuring the reaction of the speaker box, but friction seems an irrelevant factor because most probably a speaker would tend to rock its stand rather than slide.

    The 5kg ignores the other mass factors in a speaker, the woofer's basket/magnet, other driver masses, bracing, damping, stuffing and Xover masses, and a 10" woofer is far more likely IMO to have a large cabinet.

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