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    I wonder if some folks on here with greater knowledge and experience can offer up advice.
    I've got a problem playing CDrs through my CD player. It's a Myryad MC100 and about 18 years old. Commercially released CDs play perfectly, it's only when I play mix CDrs that I encounter problems.
    They start playing fine but after about 15 minutes in the sound starts to break up - the nearest I can describe it is it sounds like tons of fluff on a stylus. I was wondering if the actual disc is deteriorating but visually there is no sign of fade or rot. They were recorded on a variety of laptops and PC's and allowing for some recording failures I can play most of them OK on my laptop, but I'd rather have a proper player to use in my music room.
    So I've a couple of questions really - are CDrs inevitably doomed to degrade after a number of years despite being stored in optimum conditions and are there certain CD players that will tackle CDrs without any trouble. I know people will say to transfer them but I'm not adverse to getting a new player if there is a super duper no disc to tough machine out there.
    Thanks for looking.
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    I sometimes find that a CDR plays just fine on a particular player and then after some years does not play as easily on that player. Sometimes I find by copying that disc onto a new CDR using a computer will then play just fine on the player.

    As CDRs are so cheap it is an easy thing to try.

    YMMV of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuddles View Post
    I wonder if some folks on here with greater knowledge and experience can offer up advice.
    I've got a problem playing CDrs through my CD player. It's a Myryad MC100 and about 18 years old. Commercially released CDs play perfectly, it's only when I play mix CDrs that I encounter problems.
    They start playing fine but after about 15 minutes in the sound starts to break up - the nearest I can describe it is it sounds like tons of fluff on a stylus. I was wondering if the actual disc is deteriorating but visually there is no sign of fade or rot. They were recorded on a variety of laptops and PC's and allowing for some recording failures I can play most of them OK on my laptop, but I'd rather have a proper player to use in my music room.
    So I've a couple of questions really - are CDrs inevitably doomed to degrade after a number of years despite being stored in optimum conditions and are there certain CD players that will tackle CDrs without any trouble. I know people will say to transfer them but I'm not adverse to getting a new player if there is a super duper no disc to tough machine out there.
    Thanks for looking.
    Yes, CDR discs are unreliable and should never be used for archiving important material. They are a cheap way of making compilations for the car cd but always expect them to fail at some point: they will. I was an early adopter and bought an early burner and a batch of "gold" cd blanks back around (1997 +/-). They were great for burning compilation cds and audio books for long journeys around Namibia where I lived from 1998-2001. Audio-cassettes were OK in the house, but literally melted if left in the car for any time. The tape stretched so much that there was not enough tension to turn the reels. The CD's lasted a bit longer in that environment but even stored a in cool dark environment, I found the dyes deteriorated after a short time.

    There are archival media available but these are more expensive (e..g DVD-RAM and M-Disc).

    Geoff

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    due to how they are burnt, they mostly dont last more than 5 years and often less. you get the odd disc that does tho. personally i believe they strain the laser so dont use them
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    Yes, CD-Rs do deteriorate quite quickly. And if you use a permanent marker to label them, it will often eat right through the disc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    . personally i believe they strain the laser so dont use them
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    Thanks for the replies guys - pretty much confirms my fears
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuddles View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys - pretty much confirms my fears
    If there are music files that you cannot replace by any other means, I have had some success in recovering files with the freeware EAC package. Can take a while with some files though.

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    Many CD transports have a low tolerance to reading CDRs and CD-RW, interestingly an old Philips swingarm will play them no problem due to a very high tolerance design. Can’t say I’ve had degradation issues, but then I always burned at quad speed max.

    As mentioned another way around it is to re-rip the CDRs and use M-Disc media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    Many CD transports have a low tolerance to reading CDRs and CD-RW, interestingly an old Philips swingarm will play them no problem due to a very high tolerance design. Can’t say I’ve had degradation issues, but then I always burned at quad speed max.

    As mentioned another way around it is to re-rip the CDRs and use M-Disc media.
    That's interesting Neil. I think Marantz use the Philips mechanism - I'll see if I can borrow my mates player.
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