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    Quote Originally Posted by WAD62 View Post
    Indeed, and a pi3 runs LMS with ease...
    Yes but that's faffing about and as first said, Roon's beauty is the intergration
    Amazing they are not Spotify friendly yet..
    I don't know the history of Roons business, but why the Tidal exclusivity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Yes but that's faffing about and as first said, Roon's beauty is the intergration
    Amazing they are not Spotify friendly yet..
    I don't know the history of Roons business, but why the Tidal exclusivity?

    On the Roon forums the Roon guys mention they would love to do Spotify but Spotify refuses. The guess that Spotify do not wish their uses to be taken away from their front end and the Spotify branding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardlon View Post
    On the Roon forums the Roon guys mention they would love to do Spotify but Spotify refuses. The guess that Spotify do not wish their uses to be taken away from their front end and the Spotify branding.
    Yuk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardlon View Post
    On the Roon forums the Roon guys mention they would love to do Spotify but Spotify refuses. The guess that Spotify do not wish their uses to be taken away from their front end and the Spotify branding.
    Why is it then that Spotify has played ball with the open source community that writes what is currently termed LMS?
    The recent(ish) service provision changes Spotify made were already well in hand when the changes took effect.

    As far as the front end bit goes, the Spotty app on LMS looks nothing like the web based browser control that most users utilise.

    I suspect that Spotify play ball with the Squeezebox community precisely because it's an open source community.
    There's no vested interest, other than permitting Spotify subscribers a wider range of access means.
    With Roon there's financial interest, and that may negatively impact current Spotify royalty agreements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Yes but that's faffing about and as first said, Roon's beauty is the intergration
    Amazing they are not Spotify friendly yet..
    I don't know the history of Roons business, but why the Tidal exclusivity?
    What's the faff?
    You just redirect the player to another server, which is easily driven by either app on a tablet, or local http:// page using a web browser (which is what I do 99% of the time).
    As for the rest, Roon is a commercial enterprise, is it not?
    Need I say any more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    Why is it then that Spotify has played ball with the open source community that writes what is currently termed LMS?
    The recent(ish) service provision changes Spotify made were already well in hand when the changes took effect.

    As far as the front end bit goes, the Spotty app on LMS looks nothing like the web based browser control that most users utilise.

    I suspect that Spotify play ball with the Squeezebox community precisely because it's an open source community.
    There's no vested interest, other than permitting Spotify subscribers a wider range of access means.
    With Roon there's financial interest, and that may negatively impact current Spotify royalty agreements.
    Correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    What's the faff?
    You just redirect the player to another server, which is easily driven by either app on a tablet, or local http:// page using a web browser (which is what I do 99% of the time).
    As for the rest, Roon is a commercial enterprise, is it not?
    Need I say any more?
    Well a few issues were thrown up with LMS
    One being it only allows 500 items in your favorites from your streaming service which is pants.
    I wrote to LMS and indeed there was no way round it.500 was the limit. My Tidal library would only show up to the letter G
    In LMS...
    Anyway I have used both approaches and can tell you I'd never go back to what I think is a faff
    As I previously said having the meta data and the seamless integration is worth the expense.
    For me it is a different planet to LMS, Rpi route. £90 a year. Blimey in the scheme of Hifi world ... peanuts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    Why is it then that Spotify has played ball with the open source community that writes what is currently termed LMS?
    The recent(ish) service provision changes Spotify made were already well in hand when the changes took effect.

    As far as the front end bit goes, the Spotty app on LMS looks nothing like the web based browser control that most users utilise.

    I suspect that Spotify play ball with the Squeezebox community precisely because it's an open source community.
    There's no vested interest, other than permitting Spotify subscribers a wider range of access means.
    With Roon there's financial interest, and that may negatively impact current Spotify royalty agreements.
    Well I never used any LMS/Squeezebox stuff so can't comment. Did Spotify actually allow all of this or was it simply clever people getting around the Spotify SDK in much the same way some apps gets around the iplayer restrictions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardlon View Post
    Well I never used any LMS/Squeezebox stuff so can't comment. Did Spotify actually allow all of this or was it simply clever people getting around the Spotify SDK in much the same way some apps gets around the iplayer restrictions?
    Spotify notified one of the key members of the team about the forthcoming changes, and told them the detail of how the service delivery was being changed.
    When change day arrived the Spotty app was already up and running.
    If that doesn't constitute cooperation I don't know what does.
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    Cool. I hope Spotify changes their mind and allows Roon incorporation.
    Source: Win10 server, Win10 Mini-ITX Renderer running JRiver & Tidal/Roon
    DAC / Preamp: Perreaux DP32, Secondary DAC:
    Chevron Paradox
    Amp: Radford Revival STA25, TubeHunter Class D IRS2092
    Speakers:, Tannoy Eatons, Kudos Cardea C2, BatPure Supertweeters (and others)
    Power Conditioner: ISOtek Qube 1k
    Currently resting: Radford Revival Prototype preamp, Paul Baldwin 405C amp, PMC LB1 Signature

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