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    Thanks Nick,

    I will take good care of it for you. Owe you a nice pint of Old Rosie.

    Nigel

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    Let me know what you think of it on the Garrard Nigel, thinking about getting one of these..
    “Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    The sound produced was very clinical and I think lost some musicality. Hay Ho, we live and learn.
    Wow, Peter, that's quite a volte face from what you were raving about only days ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748
    Utterly Gob smacked... that’s GOOD Gob smacked.

    I won’t go over everything the Bigman80 (Oliver) has already said but I totally agree with his comments. It’s made this deck into a SUPER DECK.


    And now it's up for sale! Seduced by looks? Use it as a learning curve

    Anyway, if it's any consolation, I found precisely the same thing when I tried something similar (a solid copper mat) on my Techy: all hi-fi, no music. As ever, it's a synergy thing, so the Tenuto may well work great on other T/Ts (an SP10, for example).

    If you're still looking for another mat, and fancy something a bit different, I'd thoroughly recommend the Nagaoka Crystal glass mat, which is what I use. It doesn't 'sound' of anything really, just supports the record properly and allows music to be faithfully reproduced, which is all a good T/T mat should do. Beautifully made, too

    Details here: https://www.juno.co.uk/products/naga...mat/567542-01/

    You may have to search for somewhere that has it in stock.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Wow, Peter, that's quite a volte face from what you were raving about only days ago:





    And now it's up for sale! Seduced by looks?

    Anyway, if it's any consolation, I found precisely the same thing when I tried something similar (a solid copper mat) on my Techy: all hi-fi, no music. As ever, it's a synergy thing, so the Tenuto may well work great on other T/Ts (an SP10, for example).

    If you're still looking for another mat, and fancy something a bit different, I'd thoroughly recommend the Nagaoka Crystal glass mat, which is what I use. It doesn't 'sound' of anything really, just supports the record properly and allows music to be faithfully reproduced, which is all a good T/T mat should do. Beautifully made, too

    Details here: https://www.juno.co.uk/products/naga...mat/567542-01/

    You may have to search for somewhere that has it in stock.

    Marco.
    Yes indeed. I've had a music session over the weekend and the more I played the first impressions appeared to fade. There was nothing wrong but it all sounded very clinical.
    Difficult to explain but the musicality had sort of disappeared. I originally thought I was hearing more information but that wasn't the case, and the music was fatiguing... Which it has never been before.
    I'm sort of sorry for raving about it... Should have given it more time before making out it was fab. (Perhaps Great on a different TT)


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    No worries, mate. Just treat it as a learning curve. Always best to live with something for at least a week before forming any proper opinions on it. Anyway, I hope you find something that suits better soon - try a Nagaoka. It could be the answer

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    Let me know what you think of it on the Garrard Nigel, thinking about getting one of these..
    Hi Ali, will try it for a couple of weeks and then let you know.

    Nigel

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    Couldn't be further detached from my experience, Peter!.

    The Tenuto raised the level of clarity and transparency in my system but certainly doesn't sound clinical here...

    As you say, may be a bad match but I still can't believe it hasn't worked out for you. Anyhoo, onwards we go!

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    The incident serves to highlight how important synergy is in hi-fi; especially when it comes to the constituent parts of a turntable, and where everything needs to work symbiotically, as a SYSTEM, not simply as a collection of disparate parts - which is why no tonearm, cartridge, mat, or anything else, is ever 'one size fits all'!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    The incident serves to highlight how important synergy is in hi-fi; especially when it comes to the constituent parts of a turntable, and where everything needs to work symbiotically, as a SYSTEM, not simply as a collection of disparate parts - which is why no tonearm, cartridge, mat, or anything else, is ever 'one size fits all'!

    Marco.
    Spot on Marco and to be fair, I've only ever heard Tenutos on SP10s so may explain my experience of pure positivity!!!

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    Yups... I've also heard them on SP10s, and been suitably impressed, so Peter's negative experience is no reflection of the Tenuto. Aside from anything else, one thing you need to consider is the effect of the (significant) added mass on the drive system.

    I'm not sure about Peter's DP-80, but the SP10 has loads of torque, and so can comfortably handle the use of high-mass platter mats, such as the Tenuto. I'd also imagine big idler-driven T/Ts, such as Garrards and Lencos, to offer similar suitability.

    You have to think about these sorts of things, and how compatible or not they might be with your gear, before shelling out big bucks on mats!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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