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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    That's better than our own situation
    If you believe that there is more religious freedom in China than here then you clearly know absolutely nothing about the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    If you believe that there is more religious freedom in China than here then you clearly know absolutely nothing about the subject.
    Religious freedom is the problem we have is that good?
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    People don't understand lack of freedom on basic rights until they lose them. We should fight to preserve them no matter the cost
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    Religious freedom is the problem we have is that good?
    So you are happy with the Chinese regime bulldozing churches by the dozen, in some cases with people inside. as has been increasingly frequent since Xi came to power five years ago?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...istian-church/

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...pression-21809

    There is (needless to say) a political backdrop to this:

    https://thediplomat.com/2016/05/why-...-christianity/

    So it seems you are in good company with your fellow anti-religious bigots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    So you are happy with the Chinese regime bulldozing churches by the dozen, in some cases with people inside. as has been increasingly frequent since Xi came to power five years ago?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...istian-church/

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...pression-21809

    There is (needless to say) a political backdrop to this:

    https://thediplomat.com/2016/05/why-...-christianity/

    So it seems you are in good company with your fellow anti-religious bigots.
    i replied to your pm and that's my last word on it. Politics is bullshit you are welcome to it
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    I have mixed feelings. If you all said thare is an amazing class A to D amp, valve amp or DAC for a good price I would consider it.

    I own two Huawei Phones which are fine buys. I also have a fiio mini headphone amplifier which is a fine product

    I just have that general feeling that they will copy anything in half a day and certain areas are dodgy. That may be unfair but I like relating to a UK company. Then again most stuff seems to be made in China anyway including all the components so It gets confusing just how much of a British product Im getting.

    Overall I still find that Chinese Hi fi sector a bit distasteful like the British boffins do it better.....but do they really?

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    One thing to bear in mind if you do go Chi fi, factor in the cost of replacing the stock tubes.
    The ones supplied can best be thought of in the same manner as cheapie interconnects bundled with yer standard euro/jap kit.

    Last year I took the plunge into tube amplification with a Little Dot Headphone/Preamp from Amazon.
    The supplied tubes got me up and running but the sound was a little vague...even after a good burn in.

    A matched set of of tubes from Watford Valves really lifted the performance to another level.
    For under 180 pounds (the replacements were 40 quid delivered), as a introduction to tubes its a steal.

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    I have enjoyed my Opera Consonance M100SE EL34 amp for many years. I imagine the previous owner did too but I never met him. It would rival any western competitor at 1.5-2x the price. I also liked my Yarland FV34B mk 2 or 3, which had clarity caps etc in, but the mkV seemed to be a more price conscious design, so I accept Yarland are of variable quality.

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    Interesting debate so far. In the previous century DIY audio was the forward where people would often build their own amps. Perhaps the clone PCB's could be ushering in a new breed of DIY fans that are happy to tweak with parts bought from the UK? That's whats certainly happened with myself. This also gets over the problem of FAKE parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Interesting debate so far. In the previous century DIY audio was the forward where people would often build their own amps. Perhaps the clone PCB's could be ushering in a new breed of DIY fans that are happy to tweak with parts bought from the UK? That's whats certainly happened with myself. This also gets over the problem of FAKE parts.
    But what if the 'cloned' PCBs themselves contain errors, such as the afore cited Quad 405 PCB copies?
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