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I'm Steve.
This thread reminds me of so many conversations that adults had with me when I was a kid. I remember thinking, "Old farts, what do they know?"
There is great stuff out there, just as there was, and just as there will be.
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I remember my dad having a go at my older brother for listening to Fats Domino, Little Richard and Elvis. Saying "why do you listen to that dreadful rubbish" and then insisting that we listen to some Haydn.
That was an awfully long time ago. I was about eight years old.
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Have never argued otherwise. Only that the stuff in the charts is measurably less varied, less sophisticated, and more simplistic in lyrics, tunes, structure and harmonic richness, as well as being demonstrably badly produced (the noise wars). The clip looks at this and the (largely commercial) reasons why this, sadly, is so.
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I'm Paul.
I think that nowadays non convention is much more readily accepted but also, sadly, what non convention is has been conventionalised into a rather bland conformist package. I do wonder that a lot of music that is genuinely new now just sounds awful to us but in years to come will be recognised as ground breaking, but sadly the artists will be long gone by that time and will remain largely unrecognised during their time.
~Paul~
I think its probably a more complex issue about ageing and we fall into the dad trap that we never thought possible. There has always been music we like and dont like around.
Our brains develop in a certain way and they even slow down.... shock horror. We get set in certain ways as the neuron paths form.
I cant listen to some music I had as a youngster. I think I generally got it right but Ive had some shockers in my collection from Showaddywaddy through Dire Straits
It took me 25 years to really get The Fall and get fully into Bob Dylan. I didnt come on to Leonard Cohen until late in his musical life. It took me 40 years to really like classical and opera
I think we get confused about nostalgia and pop music. I couldnt listen to Abba now (lord Ive tried ) and I would take most of the Nicki Minaj rubbish over listening to thankyou for the music or Phil Collins. I mention Abba to stir it up because they are not as good as some people think
Sure Katy Perry and that twerking berk Cyrus get on my nerves but is it really any worse than the pop crap of yesteryear? Yes it seems more manufactured but that was always the nature of the pop machine. Maybe we dont like that the business seems more in our faces or we just see through it a bit more now. I have heard some toe tappers...not alf pop pickers but struggle to admit it.
Pop music is less innocent now which is probably a good thing in many ways
I love classical and opera now. I love Mark Hollis and just hearing the experimental brilliance of the later albums.
Basically it all boils down to our grandparents telling us they could hear and understand the words in "their day" I think we all get there in some way even though I like to think I have a John Peel enthusiasm for good new music.
Last edited by Minstrel SE; 04-03-2018 at 18:19.
Interesting view Martin, but I think that logic is as personal as our individual tastes - as we all have different experiences.
I loved Cohen and Dylan pretty much from the start, buying Songs of LC not too many years after release, when I first heard it. My first Dylan album was Desire and I've been a fan ever since, but I really, really got him about 10 years ago and he's one of my most played now. Bought Holst Planets Suite as a teenager on Music for Pleasure (yup I'm that old) so was on the classical train from early on too, as well as ELP, Floyd, Genesis, Zeppelin, Yes and Sabbath. Which were the mainstays of my earlyobsessionpassion with music, especially ELP.
I keep growing in all directions now, never thought I'd enjoy Country (that's a whole other subject, as Country isn't what I thought it was when I didn't like it!), but I do.
No idea where it comes from, my parents weren't musical, but we did have music on in the house from a Dansette (Swingin' Safari and the Black Watch), my brother possibly, as he was a Bowie and Tyrannosaurus Rex fan and me and my cousin (who now plays in a band) used to swap mix tapes in our teens.
I've never really enjoyed pop or mainstream ever, but I don't mind Abba.
So for me, pop music has always been pretty dire, modern is no exception apart from some bands who can cross over from being serious musicians and have pop appeal too. I think I get most of it from John Peel, Tommy Vance and Bob Harris - who I followed religiously from listening to a little radio in bed, when I should have been sleeping! I still listen to Bob Harris every week on his Thursday night Country Show.
So it is, as you say, a lot more complex
"People will hear what you tell them to hear" - Thomas Edison
i kinda liked my musicians to be at least able to either sing in some decent way, preferably on key, be able to play their instruments properly and hopefully be able to write and arrange, but for many that is pie in the sky alas.
Abba; yes at least they can sing, and at least pick songs that are catchy(not sure who wrote em). Cohen had it all, although many will discount the first. not me.
Dylan, I got fro the start being a lover of that style with pete seager and Woodie Guthrie etc and of course being a old time blues fan too. Funnily enough im not so interested in dylan now; in fact most of his stuff now seems a bit "pat"
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