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  1. #1
    Join Date: Sep 2010

    Location: West Midlands, UK

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    I'm Lee.

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    Happy New Year all

    Was looking for a bit of a favour, does anyone in the West Midlands use one of these machines to clean vinyl? If so I was wondering if I could pop round to see the machine in action and get a couple of records cleaned, I’m contemplating one of these machines to clean my vinyl. I should point out that I already have a wet n dry RCM but was looking for a more convenient solution to cleaning records and hoping for better results at the same time.

    Any help much appreciated

    Lee
    NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103 / Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre / Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Horns.pl Mummy's/ Cables are Audio Note and Albedo / Gigawatt Power Conditioner

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Bridgend, Wales

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    A friend of mine in Manchester has one. I'll ask him for you

    He's also a fellow Spacedeck owner
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Decca London Super Gold with Deccapod
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU #1E
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


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  3. #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smegger68 View Post
    A friend of mine in Manchester has one. I'll ask him for you

    He's also a fellow Spacedeck owner
    Cheers mate. How’s the Kuzma on the spacedeck, I keep meaning to try one
    NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103 / Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre / Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Horns.pl Mummy's/ Cables are Audio Note and Albedo / Gigawatt Power Conditioner

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Berkshire, UK

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    Bear in mind they haven't been the most reliable ...

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oblems.327616/

    and even recently:
    https://www.dagogo.com/audiodesk-pro...leaner-review/

    You don't say which wet RCM you have but having owned a Moth the Loricraft is streets ahead.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ortofon 309 Limited tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N + Shure M3D Jico stylus; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0 retipped by Ana Mighty Sound bamboo cantilever, Spirit '78' 3.0 conical from Ana, also vintage GE VRII, Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Duncan 'Tuberhunter' 200w class D; preamp - Pass DCB1; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage SPU-GE; SUTs - Ortofon 2-15k & Bob's Devices; Phono Stage: Schiit Mani; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Henley View Post
    Cheers mate. How’s the Kuzma on the spacedeck, I keep meaning to try one
    It works really well with the Decca. I had it on my STD 305M / Hadcock GH228 combination so I knew the damped unipivot worked well for the cartridge. The Kuzma arm was a natural progression from there
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Decca London Super Gold with Deccapod
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU #1E
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


    May contain opinions that others find disturbing.

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    Proceed with caution with these , lots of problems , and aparently they are not servicable as they are glued together very well so the fluid cant escape , this is from Steeve Hoffmans web site
    I am envious of those members who have had good experiences with the Audio Desk RCM. Here is my story:

    Issue #1
    I purchased it from "The Cable Company" in PA about a year ago. My unit was DOA. The red button to activate the cleaning cycle was inoperable. I requested a replacement model to be shipped since they had my credit card info, and I'd send back the defective unit. I was told no replacement could be sent, and that I had to return the unit for service. OK...I sent it back. They replaced the switch.

    Issue #2
    Every record I cleaned required manual wiping to remove numerous water drops. I tried everything I could think of, I even took the fan covers off to see if that would allow more air volume. No dice. I once again requested a replacement, and again was told that I had to send it back for repair. They told me that they had fixed it, and it worked just fine. When I received it back, they had placed some of those plastic ties, the ones you use to tie off garbage bags, behind the wipers or "lips" to increase contact. I was told that everything was operating as it should. Their remedy had no effect on the drying, I still had to wipe every record.

    Issue #3
    I once again complained about the non-drying of the unit and once again requested a replacement unit and was told to ship it back as they now had a factory authorized remedy. I sent it back and the fix actually seemed to work.

    Issue #4
    After receiving the unit back from the factory drying fix, I cleaned about 100 LPs, and then the wheels that grip the record and spin it and the brush barrels refused to let go at the end of the cycle. I once again requested a replacement. Their response: I could return it again for service or they would "allow" me a "generous" trade in value of $2000 for my LEMON unit towards a new "improved" one.

    OK...I guess I was desperate because when this thing works it ROCKS, and I was tired of messing with an obviously defective machine. I ponied up another $2000 for a "new and improved" one.

    It arrived yesterday and seemed to work as advertised...no water spotting and records clean as you can imagine.

    Issue #5
    Today, after cleaning about 20 LPs, the records wouldn't rotate. I found that the rubber wheel that grips the LP and at the same time drives the cleaning brushes was spinning on its shaft.

    So here I am with $6000 invested in a $4000 machine that still does not work. Of course, I am expecting to have to send it back for “repairs.” You've got to know FedEx is loving every minute of this.

    BUYER BEWARE!


    Google this machine and see , I was after one , ended up with a Loricraft PMC3
    Music , fills the gaps between silence !

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    And yet I know my mate has had no problems with his. I think the early models were a little problem prone but recent production should be trouble free.
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Decca London Super Gold with Deccapod
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU #1E
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


    May contain opinions that others find disturbing.

  8. #8
    Join Date: Sep 2010

    Location: West Midlands, UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Bear in mind they haven't been the most reliable ...

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oblems.327616/

    and even recently:
    https://www.dagogo.com/audiodesk-pro...leaner-review/



    You don't say which wet RCM you have but having owned a Moth the Loricraft is streets ahead.
    My RCM is a DIY job which does an admirable job with no complaints, I was looking more for the convenience to be fair.

    There’s a new one coming out this year called Degritter which looks very nice on the eye as well, I’ve been in touch with them and they are hoping for a May 2018 release. I’ve pretty much made my mind up that at some point I’ll be getting a cavitation based cleaning machine just need to get the right one. I’m aware of the issues with the Audiodesk as I did a bit of research and to a degree has stopped me from buying one
    NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103 / Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre / Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Horns.pl Mummy's/ Cables are Audio Note and Albedo / Gigawatt Power Conditioner

  9. #9
    Join Date: Sep 2010

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    The Degritter web site, theyers also some YouTube video available

    http://degritter.com

    Lee
    NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103 / Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre / Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Horns.pl Mummy's/ Cables are Audio Note and Albedo / Gigawatt Power Conditioner

  10. #10
    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Henley View Post
    The Degritter web site, theyers also some YouTube video available

    http://degritter.com

    Lee
    Interesting - and UK as well. Could well be interested at the right price.

    I think part of Audiodesk's problem is that they are German and therefore pretty much by definition tone deaf when it comes to customer service - and very likely over-arrogant about their engineering prowess as well.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ortofon 309 Limited tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N + Shure M3D Jico stylus; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0 retipped by Ana Mighty Sound bamboo cantilever, Spirit '78' 3.0 conical from Ana, also vintage GE VRII, Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Duncan 'Tuberhunter' 200w class D; preamp - Pass DCB1; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage SPU-GE; SUTs - Ortofon 2-15k & Bob's Devices; Phono Stage: Schiit Mani; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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