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  1. #1
    Join Date: Sep 2010

    Location: West Midlands, UK

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    I'm Lee.

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    Happy New Year all

    Was looking for a bit of a favour, does anyone in the West Midlands use one of these machines to clean vinyl? If so I was wondering if I could pop round to see the machine in action and get a couple of records cleaned, I’m contemplating one of these machines to clean my vinyl. I should point out that I already have a wet n dry RCM but was looking for a more convenient solution to cleaning records and hoping for better results at the same time.

    Any help much appreciated

    Lee
    Vinyl rig 1 - NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103. Vinyl rig 2 - Lenco GL75 c/w original arm and Shure M75ED MM cart / trichord Diablo with NCPSU. Amplifiers - Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre. Digital - Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Linear PSU / Hummingboard Network audio adaptor. Speakers - Horns.pl Mummy's. Cables are Audio Note / Albedo / Duelund WE16GA Speaker wire. Power conditioner is a Gigawatt PC2 EVO

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Bridgend, Wales

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    A friend of mine in Manchester has one. I'll ask him for you

    He's also a fellow Spacedeck owner
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Benz Micro Ace S L
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU Classic GM E MkII
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


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  3. #3
    Join Date: Sep 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smegger68 View Post
    A friend of mine in Manchester has one. I'll ask him for you

    He's also a fellow Spacedeck owner
    Cheers mate. How’s the Kuzma on the spacedeck, I keep meaning to try one
    Vinyl rig 1 - NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103. Vinyl rig 2 - Lenco GL75 c/w original arm and Shure M75ED MM cart / trichord Diablo with NCPSU. Amplifiers - Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre. Digital - Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Linear PSU / Hummingboard Network audio adaptor. Speakers - Horns.pl Mummy's. Cables are Audio Note / Albedo / Duelund WE16GA Speaker wire. Power conditioner is a Gigawatt PC2 EVO

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Berkshire, UK

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    Bear in mind they haven't been the most reliable ...

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oblems.327616/

    and even recently:
    https://www.dagogo.com/audiodesk-pro...leaner-review/

    You don't say which wet RCM you have but having owned a Moth the Loricraft is streets ahead.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Henley View Post
    Cheers mate. How’s the Kuzma on the spacedeck, I keep meaning to try one
    It works really well with the Decca. I had it on my STD 305M / Hadcock GH228 combination so I knew the damped unipivot worked well for the cartridge. The Kuzma arm was a natural progression from there
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Benz Micro Ace S L
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU Classic GM E MkII
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


    May contain opinions that others find disturbing.

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    Proceed with caution with these , lots of problems , and aparently they are not servicable as they are glued together very well so the fluid cant escape , this is from Steeve Hoffmans web site
    I am envious of those members who have had good experiences with the Audio Desk RCM. Here is my story:

    Issue #1
    I purchased it from "The Cable Company" in PA about a year ago. My unit was DOA. The red button to activate the cleaning cycle was inoperable. I requested a replacement model to be shipped since they had my credit card info, and I'd send back the defective unit. I was told no replacement could be sent, and that I had to return the unit for service. OK...I sent it back. They replaced the switch.

    Issue #2
    Every record I cleaned required manual wiping to remove numerous water drops. I tried everything I could think of, I even took the fan covers off to see if that would allow more air volume. No dice. I once again requested a replacement, and again was told that I had to send it back for repair. They told me that they had fixed it, and it worked just fine. When I received it back, they had placed some of those plastic ties, the ones you use to tie off garbage bags, behind the wipers or "lips" to increase contact. I was told that everything was operating as it should. Their remedy had no effect on the drying, I still had to wipe every record.

    Issue #3
    I once again complained about the non-drying of the unit and once again requested a replacement unit and was told to ship it back as they now had a factory authorized remedy. I sent it back and the fix actually seemed to work.

    Issue #4
    After receiving the unit back from the factory drying fix, I cleaned about 100 LPs, and then the wheels that grip the record and spin it and the brush barrels refused to let go at the end of the cycle. I once again requested a replacement. Their response: I could return it again for service or they would "allow" me a "generous" trade in value of $2000 for my LEMON unit towards a new "improved" one.

    OK...I guess I was desperate because when this thing works it ROCKS, and I was tired of messing with an obviously defective machine. I ponied up another $2000 for a "new and improved" one.

    It arrived yesterday and seemed to work as advertised...no water spotting and records clean as you can imagine.

    Issue #5
    Today, after cleaning about 20 LPs, the records wouldn't rotate. I found that the rubber wheel that grips the LP and at the same time drives the cleaning brushes was spinning on its shaft.

    So here I am with $6000 invested in a $4000 machine that still does not work. Of course, I am expecting to have to send it back for “repairs.” You've got to know FedEx is loving every minute of this.

    BUYER BEWARE!


    Google this machine and see , I was after one , ended up with a Loricraft PMC3
    Music , fills the gaps between silence !

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    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Bridgend, Wales

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    I'm James.

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    And yet I know my mate has had no problems with his. I think the early models were a little problem prone but recent production should be trouble free.
    Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck / Kuzma Stogi S / Benz Micro Ace S L
    Lenco L-75 / Carl Ellis Plinth / Ortofon AS-212 / Ortofon SPU Classic GM E MkII
    Ortofon ST-7 SUT / Croft RIAA

    Cambridge Audio 650BD / Theta DS Pro Prime

    Classé Model 30 / Luxman M-383

    Usher Compass X-719


    May contain opinions that others find disturbing.

  8. #8
    Join Date: Sep 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Bear in mind they haven't been the most reliable ...

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oblems.327616/

    and even recently:
    https://www.dagogo.com/audiodesk-pro...leaner-review/



    You don't say which wet RCM you have but having owned a Moth the Loricraft is streets ahead.
    My RCM is a DIY job which does an admirable job with no complaints, I was looking more for the convenience to be fair.

    There’s a new one coming out this year called Degritter which looks very nice on the eye as well, I’ve been in touch with them and they are hoping for a May 2018 release. I’ve pretty much made my mind up that at some point I’ll be getting a cavitation based cleaning machine just need to get the right one. I’m aware of the issues with the Audiodesk as I did a bit of research and to a degree has stopped me from buying one
    Vinyl rig 1 - NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103. Vinyl rig 2 - Lenco GL75 c/w original arm and Shure M75ED MM cart / trichord Diablo with NCPSU. Amplifiers - Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre. Digital - Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Linear PSU / Hummingboard Network audio adaptor. Speakers - Horns.pl Mummy's. Cables are Audio Note / Albedo / Duelund WE16GA Speaker wire. Power conditioner is a Gigawatt PC2 EVO

  9. #9
    Join Date: Sep 2010

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    The Degritter web site, theyers also some YouTube video available

    http://degritter.com

    Lee
    Vinyl rig 1 - NAS Spacedeck / Jelco 750D / EAR 834P modified / Denon DL 103. Vinyl rig 2 - Lenco GL75 c/w original arm and Shure M75ED MM cart / trichord Diablo with NCPSU. Amplifiers - Audio Note Empress Silver / Hattor Passive Pre. Digital - Mac Mini / Lampizator Atlantic Plus tube rectified Dac / Linear PSU / Hummingboard Network audio adaptor. Speakers - Horns.pl Mummy's. Cables are Audio Note / Albedo / Duelund WE16GA Speaker wire. Power conditioner is a Gigawatt PC2 EVO

  10. #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Henley View Post
    The Degritter web site, theyers also some YouTube video available

    http://degritter.com

    Lee
    Interesting - and UK as well. Could well be interested at the right price.

    I think part of Audiodesk's problem is that they are German and therefore pretty much by definition tone deaf when it comes to customer service - and very likely over-arrogant about their engineering prowess as well.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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