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  1. #1
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    Hi all,

    After a bit of advice.

    I am now on the hunt for a quality cartridge after selling all of my personally owned ones.

    I have currently on loan a Kontrapunt b which is awesome and I may purchase that but in true box swapping style, I wondered if there was anything that would knock it's socks of.

    Let's call the Budget 1k and can include new or used.

    I'd like a bit of excitement and solidity coupled with neutrality and transparency but it must be detailed.

    I intend to couple it to a SUT or HA into a MM valve stage.

    Current available options are

    Lyra Delos
    Denon DL S1 (?)
    AT-ART7/9
    Kontrapunt b
    AT33SA

    Ive put them in price order.

    Any experience with the carts mentioned above will be gratefully recieved.

    Ta



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    Analogue: Technics SP10 MK2 > Phonomac AT-1010 tonearm > Ortofon Kontrapunkt b > Wizard Jfet MC Valve Phonostage (Telefunken Valves)
    Digital: Firebottle modded Xiang Sheng DAC (Telefunken Valve)
    Amplification: Slagle AVC Passive Preamp & Firebottle Monoblocks (Telefunken Valves)
    Cables: Fisual S-Flex Speaker Cable & SPOTFIRE IC Cables Throughout
    Speakers: Pioneer CS-77A

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    Out of that lot, for my taste, I'd say Kontrapunkt/Cadenza. But people look for different stuff. I wouldn't be looking at spending 1k for any Denon or AT.

    If budget is 1k I'd be looking for an SPU, you'd get a lightly used SPU Gold or Royal N for that and Angus will do you an extra weight for the AT-1010 to enable you to use them. You might even get a lightly used Miyajima Shilabe or Koetsu Rosewood.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Out of that lot, for my taste, I'd say Kontrapunkt/Cadenza. But people look for different stuff. I wouldn't be looking at spending 1k for any Denon or AT.

    If budget is 1k I'd be looking for an SPU, you'd get a lightly used SPU Gold or Royal N for that and Angus will do you an extra weight for the AT-1010 to enable you to use them. You might even get a lightly used Miyajima Shilabe or Koetsu Rosewood.
    I don't understand SPUs so I can pretty much rule that out

    Shilabe? Not heard of that so I'll Google that one.

    Koetsu?? Are they a bit warm and easy with the treble?

    Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk
    Analogue: Technics SP10 MK2 > Phonomac AT-1010 tonearm > Ortofon Kontrapunkt b > Wizard Jfet MC Valve Phonostage (Telefunken Valves)
    Digital: Firebottle modded Xiang Sheng DAC (Telefunken Valve)
    Amplification: Slagle AVC Passive Preamp & Firebottle Monoblocks (Telefunken Valves)
    Cables: Fisual S-Flex Speaker Cable & SPOTFIRE IC Cables Throughout
    Speakers: Pioneer CS-77A

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    sorry repeat post.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    I don't understand SPUs so I can pretty much rule that out
    You should hear one if you get the chance Oliver. It's a lovely sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    You should hear one if you get the chance Oliver. It's a lovely sound.
    Are we talking accurate or lovely? First time I heard of one was here!

    Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk
    Analogue: Technics SP10 MK2 > Phonomac AT-1010 tonearm > Ortofon Kontrapunkt b > Wizard Jfet MC Valve Phonostage (Telefunken Valves)
    Digital: Firebottle modded Xiang Sheng DAC (Telefunken Valve)
    Amplification: Slagle AVC Passive Preamp & Firebottle Monoblocks (Telefunken Valves)
    Cables: Fisual S-Flex Speaker Cable & SPOTFIRE IC Cables Throughout
    Speakers: Pioneer CS-77A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    Are we talking accurate or lovely? First time I heard of one was here!
    How do you describe accurate? They're not 'in yer face', but it's all there. Fairly sumptuous I'd say. It's quite a big sound. I had one.

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    Oliver if you can make the trek to Berkshire you can hear quite a few cartridge here including assorted SPUs and Miyajimas on an Angus modded AT1503 which has a lot in common with your AT1010. I sold the Koetsu Rosewood I had though.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    How do you describe accurate? They're not 'in yer face', but it's all there.
    Just natural sounding rather than bloaty and overly rich. I do like a bit of "in your face" I'll try and get a listen I think.

    Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk
    Analogue: Technics SP10 MK2 > Phonomac AT-1010 tonearm > Ortofon Kontrapunkt b > Wizard Jfet MC Valve Phonostage (Telefunken Valves)
    Digital: Firebottle modded Xiang Sheng DAC (Telefunken Valve)
    Amplification: Slagle AVC Passive Preamp & Firebottle Monoblocks (Telefunken Valves)
    Cables: Fisual S-Flex Speaker Cable & SPOTFIRE IC Cables Throughout
    Speakers: Pioneer CS-77A

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Oliver if you can make the trek to Berkshire you can hear quite a few cartridge here including assorted SPUs and Miyajimas on an Angus modded AT1503 which has a lot in common with your AT1010. I sold the Koetsu Rosewood I had though.
    Now there's an interesting day out. OK Tom, leave it with me and I'll see what I can put together.

    Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk
    Analogue: Technics SP10 MK2 > Phonomac AT-1010 tonearm > Ortofon Kontrapunkt b > Wizard Jfet MC Valve Phonostage (Telefunken Valves)
    Digital: Firebottle modded Xiang Sheng DAC (Telefunken Valve)
    Amplification: Slagle AVC Passive Preamp & Firebottle Monoblocks (Telefunken Valves)
    Cables: Fisual S-Flex Speaker Cable & SPOTFIRE IC Cables Throughout
    Speakers: Pioneer CS-77A

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