Noise reduction

[walpurgis]

http://gutwire.com/?page_id=1342

[bumpy]

How can you hear something that lowers the noise created by modern (Or even ancient) Hi-Fi, I do remember my first Amstrad amp with sliders, that made a noise when you changed the volume, but other than that haven't heard a peep out of any of my systems from the cheapest to the most expensive since I got rid of that amp in about 1971 unless I actually play some music.
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Noise is not about crackles, pops or hiss its about the inky black between notes.

[bumpy]

Have you read the description on the Gutwire website? It’s just nonsense, it really is.

I read it, but there's not one manufacturer that doesn't guild the lily. Does that make every product rubbish.

There's still a lot of discoveries to be made regarding earthing, cables etc

[bumpy]

What noise, there really shouldn't be any noise coming from any vaguely decent Hi-Fi.

I think you fail to understand what noise floor means.

[bumpy]

Ask somebody who can give a professional opinion about this cable instead of jumping on your high horse.

I'd rather ask someone who has listened to a system with and without it.

[realysm42]

I've not heard the product, nor do I pretend to understand the science behind the arguments (both for and against).

I find it disheartening how people (a mod, even!) have labelled Bumpy as being on his high horse. I think he's reasonable in his wanting people with empirical experience to comment on the thing before slamming it. Especially with how he's requested it. I expected better from this forum.

Also, I agree about people's understanding of noise. There's more to it than hearing hiss from your speakers people. It's the type of noise you don't always know you have, until it's gone (and possibly reintroduced).

In case anyone's interested:

https://audiobacon.net/2017/12/09/gu...cables-review/

Different technologies, but I've used Akiko audio tuning sticks on my speaker cables and USB to good effect. Also I use and Acoustic Revice RGC-24 under the mains transformer in my DAC, wouldn't take it out now.

[walpurgis]

I find it disheartening how people (a mod, even!) have labelled Bumpy as being on his high horse. I think he's reasonable in his wanting people with empirical experience to comment on the thing before slamming it. Especially with how he's requested it. I expected better from this forum.

Really? I and others were talking about the cable, to which we are entitled an opinion, right or wrong. Comments about us were unwarranted.

[realysm42]

Really? I and others were talking about the cable, to which we are entitled an opinion, right or wrong. Comments about us were unwarranted.

I know what you and others were talking about.

I agree you're entitled to your opinion.

Bumpy observed the situation is sad, I don't see why you've interpreted that as him making unwarranted comments about you.

[Macca]

I'd rather ask someone who has listened to a system with and without it.

The problem with just listening is that it gives you no idea as to what is happening. A subjective improvement may actually be a degradation but you won't find that out from playing a couple of songs. If it lowered the noise floor as they claim they would provide proof of it. Why wouldn't they? They would sell more and no-one would question the product.

Why pay them more than 200 dollars for this bit of wire when you could achieve the same effect for ten dollars? If you knew what was causing the effect?

[bumpy]

The problem with just listening is that it gives you no idea as to what is happening.

I would ask the question "does it matter". We are all after best sound quality at a price you can afford, so if it offers you that, the rest is of little significance.

I spent my younger days reading reviews and specs, listening to people who had never really earned the right to give comment, and making judgements about extended base, sweet treble etc etc. In hindsight, what a nonsense that was. Now I just listen to see if I enjoy it. If I do, then am I willing to pay the price for that level of enjoyment?

Surely that's all that really matters. Oh, and an open mind really helps.