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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by clap View Post
    Is this not a copyright issue?
    At least as far as getting rid of the CDs - yes it is a simple issue of copyright. The likelihood of the law ever being enforced is another question.

    The discussion has drifted to questions of aesthetics and the nature of collecting, among other things. I’m a bit of an oddity I think, as I’ve embraced ripp8ng and streaming, but hang on to (and play) vinyl and SACD - never mind blu-ray and DVD on the video side. I admire those who’ve gone down the rabbit hole and virtualised their whole collections. Their houses must be ever so clean and tidy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizze View Post
    Same here.

    Rasberry Pi and Explorer 2 replaced CD transport, Meridian DAC, Croft Pre, now it goes straight into the power amp, only thing on show is the speakers.

    Roon and Tidal is my music, all physical media gone.
    The Explorer is a fabulous device - immense and tiny all at the same time. Trounced my old Cambridge streamer soundly. My DCS-owning pal (also a Garrard/SME/Koetsu vinyl guy) thinks it’s the best sound he’s heard from digital.

    Alas, I need pre-amps and such as I still insist on playing LPs!

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    Marantz UD7007 SACD/Blu-ray/DVD-V/DVD-A
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    Audiolab 8200AP pre-amp/processor
    Power amp: Arcam P7
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    Sennheiser HD 700 headphones
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    I repeatedly come across music - not just LPs, which you'd expect, but quite a few CDs - that are not on any of the streaming platforms. Add in metadata issues - I binned Tidal because quite a number of albums where there was more than one composer had nothing in the track listing to tell you who the composer was - and it looks to me like streaming still has a way to go.

    I have subscriptions to Qobuz and Spotify at the moment and they are ok, I run them alongside JRiver for the local stuff which is a few thousand files. I'll probably try Roon at some stage it seems to get good reports. (Though I use them to identify CDs I might want to buy).

    I still find the experience better with the physical object present, whether it's the ability to have track listing, librettos and translations, and other information on your lap, or just a feeling of being invested in ownership ... yes it's great having a supposedly infinite library, but what's missing I find is a personal connection to specific music.

    This is something I feel strongly. I recall when I bought a record or CD, or times in life when it was significant, houses it was played in. I remember as a teenager when I only had about 20-30 records, or a student when I had only a few hundred. Music got played over and over and memorised, ingested, lived and absorbed in minute detail, every expression, every breath, every pause. For me this connection matters more than supposedly infinite variety.

    Less is more sometimes.

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    Ive got records, cds, and fils all over the damn place but cant face getting rid of most of them. They become part of you. The deezer hifi is very good and I will be keeping this for a while unless a better option appears but I still like the physicality of my bits n pieces. My mate cant stand being in the house too long as his ocd kicks in and its not that bad
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    I tend to sympathise and share your views and standpoint Tom, but I am very annoyed at the multiplicity of possible streaming solutions - like the 36 varieties of shampoo which Sainsburys discovered they were offering a few years ago.

    I need good quality wide band, high bit rate, cheap, and with little equipment necessary, and surely don't we all want that, also with the necessary info.

    I also do not want to be 'shipwrecked', ie. without my music because of internet problems, a company going broke or them holding me to ransom, so I like hard copy which I own.

    And I agree that in my formative years much of the art to me was profound, and I listened repeatedly and learnt it, I becoming part of my life enlightenment. I have internalised the truths within it, and it is part of my staple influence.

    But I do not have 'walls' of CDs as many do, my finance has always restricted my purchasing to the really essential.
    So little of what I hear which is new has anything to say to me, and certainly is not revelatory, that I use my very high quality monitoring system to analyse everything about new listening experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Less is more sometimes.
    We're all different in what we want.
    More is more as far as I am concerned.

    I wanted to try an album that wasn't on Spotify a few weeks back so I forked out a fiver or so for the CD. Big disappointment. I shall be wary of doing that again!
    I follow Justin's credo (advanced during the 2 year period during which he was trying to get Luddite me to try streaming!) of not worrying about what isn't available streamed but enjoying the vast amount that is. He was right (as far as I am concerned). Justin is right sometimes.
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    He is?
    Regards,
    Grant .... ؠ ......Don't be such a big girl's blouse

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    Sometimes.
    You just have to be patient.
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    I still buy the odd cd but not much now. Usually one I really like. And second hand if poss. It's all there via the streaming service. Or mostly is.
    Regards,
    Grant .... ؠ ......Don't be such a big girl's blouse

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    FIIO K7 BT, M11 PLUS, BTR7, KA5 - OPPO BDP-103D - PANASONIC UB450 - PANASONIC 4K ULTRA HD TV - PIXEL 6 - AVANTREE LR BLUETOOTH - 2* X600 SOUNDCORE - HEADPHONES INCLUDE, FIIO, NURAPHONES', FOCAL, OPPO, BOSE, CAMBRIDGE, BOWER & WILKINS, DEVIALET, MARSHALL, SONY, MITCHELL & JOHNSTON - 2*ZBOOK'S- MERCURY BD ROM, ROON, QOBUZ, TIDAL, PLEX, CYBERLINK, JRIVER - MULTI HDD'S -

    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    I've not investigated, but I'm fairly sure that some of my choices in listening will not be available from streaming services, simply because they are pretty obscure and some even nigh on impossible to obtain again in physical media. For that reason, I intend to stay with my CD's and LP's, at least for the foreseeable future.

    Another point that strikes me, is that the selections made for streaming availablity are a form of control. Basically, if what you want to hear is not commercial enough for the vendor to make money from, you ain't getting it! Our listening will become homogenised, so it fits 'their' model of what people should hear.

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