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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Stuff held on a local hard drive is not the same as something held in a Tier 1 datacenter with all sorts of data integrity processes running behind the scenes (or indeed something flashed on a ROM chip that typically runs things like high-availability systems such as you get in aircraft guidance). That's why a properly implemented cloud solution is a very good suggestion.

    Sectors fail on local hard drives all the time (if you run a good disk checker these can be mapped out) and the risk increases over time as disks age and as you copy data from drive to drive. A surprising number of my early digital photos from 15-20 years ago are corrupted. I have quite a few mainly older audio files too that don't play. I imagine right now it's well under 1% with any kind problem, but I would anticipate this will increase over time. If you get rid of all your physical media and have no means of restoration, if something goes kaput that you really like, you could be faced with buying it again.

    I'm not making this up, did you read the links? I've been working in IT for more than 20 years and I can assure you it's a real issue the industry takes seriously. Consumers are only very lately being exposed to this as they suddenly have quite large data archives. So your files are largely OK on the machine you ripped them to are absolutely fine over the last, say 5 years. I'd expect that.

    But how will they be two or three disks down the line in 10 or 15 years' time? That's the time horizon I'm talking about.

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    I did read the links which is why I thought we were talking about something other than sectors on hard drives failing. My confusion. Of course that happens all the time so I can't imagine anyone whose entire collection is only on a hard drive not backing it up, at least twice. But I suppose some people don't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I did read the links which is why I thought we were talking about something other than sectors on hard drives failing. My confusion. Of course that happens all the time so I can't imagine anyone whose entire collection is only on a hard drive not backing it up, at least twice. But I suppose some people don't bother.
    A lot of the problems described in the second link start as disk related errors either in the file or in the metadata. If something gets corrupted, and you back it up, then you can over-write a good backup file with a corrupted one. There is software available to address this but at a consumer level the issue isn't taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I'm quietly sympathetic and envious of you Iain for shifting 3,000 CDs. My problem is I have recently had to find new storage for about the same number of CDs - it's not easy'. My fiancé comes from a culture where such possessions are not important and it is not usual to find anyone there with collections of anything. Thus she likes to have a relatively spartan, minimalist-looking, living space, uncluttered (in her opinion) by books CDs and LPs. It's a bit of a struggle to find a 'middle way'.

    However I do like to own a physical copy of the music 'software', just as I like to have physical books to read, so the struggle continues ....
    Barry,

    my motivation for ripping is different, though 3,000 plus cds do take up a lot of space, and I aspire to a Zen minimalism!

    I have been working overseas for most of the last 20 years. For the first few postings I had my cd collection shipped from continent to continent. The problem is that marine insurance is 4% of replacement value not to mention the cost of packing and shipping. During this time I have ripped all of my cds to disk with duplicate drives. I am hoping to be taking up a new long term post in Kenya in the New Year, and my cds (now in heavy duty plastic crates with silica gel bags) will go into long term storage along with more than 1,000 lps, the last of which was purchased in 1998. I will travel with two hard drives with a third backup left here in the UK.

    On a related note, I have gradually been scanning (with a remarkable Fujitsu device) a personal library of reports and other documents accumulated over more than 30 years working in development economics. These are irreplaceable but a real pain to store and ship. A few years back I bought an external LG Blu ray/DVD burner and have been archiving these documents using the M-Disc archival media. This format has a claimed life of 1,000 years. I will be happy if they survive 25 years, and for that matter if I do. The 25gb disks are now pretty affordable and a good size for archival. If used to archive cds ripped in flac format one should get more than 50 lossless discs on a single Blu-ray M-Disc (at a media cost of less than 10p per cd).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    I once read that critical data in things like aircraft and nuclear power stations are guarded by a 'watchdog' system that constantly checks for errors. I used to use a chemical reactor known as an RC1 calorimeter that also has such a watchdog system. As I use CD's and vinyl, I don't have such worries. My oldest CD still plays fine and that dates from 1983.
    The watchdog is likely there to decide where to swap to a second system in the event of a failure...it could be for disks but probably not with Raid etc .
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    You're a brave man Iain! Ive just bought some more CD racks so I can actually see what I have.

    I am sorting them out though and anything I might have bought in a job lot that doesnt get played will be going. I have loads of Mojo, Q and Uncut Cds which will be the first to get ripped and then stored away out of sight or sold.

    I do understand the minimalist thing and to be honest I am getting a bit uneasy about my large shelves full of cds and dvds. I was double stacking them on shelves so I couldnt even see what I have which is frustrating and crazy when I cant find something quickly. If you cant find a record reasonably quickly, there is little point owning it. Its crucial that things are stored in order with an inventory system so I do see the advantages of computer storage

    Ive just come home with more shelves so I can at least see what I have more easily. I think Ive pretty much peaked and I will try getting rid of two and buying one for a while. It does get to a stage where Im all musiced out in terms of what is stored in here.

    I do worry about hard drive failure and I do have room to store a few boxes of cds. Im not trading them in for pennies and they are not rare enough to be worth much. I also remember the time I sold my vinyl collection for peanuts and that is a big regret now.

    Deep down I long for a more spacious room with everything stored on a hard drive. However thats quite a leap for me and Im not ready to do it
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    One thing not discussed here is how much did he cash in? Selling 3,000 CD’s at a fair price, that’s a pretty good chunk of change! Money that could be spent on improving his digital playback setup perhaps?

    And I’m not completely clear on the law, if you owned the CDs at the time of collecting the files, do you lose your rights when you sell the CD’s? Logic would say yes, but we know logic has little to do with the law. Perhaps a receipt from the record store stating the titles you owned would be sufficient? Maybe better than nothing?

    And I worked with Data Storage too in the past. A good Raid setup should prevent data loss from bad sectors, etc. but a full backup copy should be stored off site. In case of a fire, flood, you will have a remote backup to get your data back. Two backups are even better! And these backups should be updated regularly, once a year? So they don’t set and degrade and in 20 years when you need them you find they too are rotten. Storing massive data files in the cloud sounds very convenient, but they offer no responsibility if your files are lost or corrupted. And when a massive solar flare, or EMP explosion, or some other natural disaster ruins everyone’s day, there will be a mad scramble for those old CDs and vinyls!

    I like the idea of having my entire collection on file, but after working with computers all those years, it seems to suck the fun out of stereo for me to add a computer to the mix. But, some state that after moving to a file storage medium they don’t play their music as much. Perhaps that’s all the fault of a proper front end? A nice program that keeps them in order with album covers and liner notes in an iPad, would make it more like the old days when we actually physically played a disc? Or perhaps we should all get hi res Spotify and stash all our old recordings and call it a day?


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaGT View Post
    One thing not discussed here is how much did he cash in? Selling 3,000 CD’s at a fair price, that’s a pretty good chunk of change! Money that could be spent on improving his digital playback setup perhaps?

    And I’m not completely clear on the law, if you owned the CDs at the time of collecting the files, do you lose your rights when you sell the CD’s? Logic would say yes, but we know logic has little to do with the law. Perhaps a receipt from the record store stating the titles you owned would be sufficient? Maybe better than nothing?

    And I worked with Data Storage too in the past. A good Raid setup should prevent data loss from bad sectors, etc. but a full backup copy should be stored off site. In case of a fire, flood, you will have a remote backup to get your data back. Two backups are even better! And these backups should be updated regularly, once a year? So they don’t set and degrade and in 20 years when you need them you find they too are rotten. Storing massive data files in the cloud sounds very convenient, but they offer no responsibility if your files are lost or corrupted. And when a massive solar flare, or EMP explosion, or some other natural disaster ruins everyone’s day, there will be a mad scramble for those old CDs and vinyls!

    I like the idea of having my entire collection on file, but after working with computers all those years, it seems to suck the fun out of stereo for me to add a computer to the mix. But, some state that after moving to a file storage medium they don’t play their music as much. Perhaps that’s all the fault of a proper front end? A nice program that keeps them in order with album covers and liner notes in an iPad, would make it more like the old days when we actually physically played a disc? Or perhaps we should all get hi res Spotify and stash all our old recordings and call it a day?


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    I was paid £1100 for them. I think that's fair considering the cd market these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAD62 View Post
    33p per CD!? For your audio history!!!?
    CD's are worthless these days. Better to get something for them as sitting gathering dust. Most of the stuff I had is on Spotify anyway.
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    get more than that selling them through music magpie wouldnt you? think they give about 50p per disc. Though personally for that id rather store them somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky70 View Post
    CD's are worthless these days. Better to get something for them as sitting gathering dust. Most of the stuff I had is on Spotify anyway.
    I think you need to recognise that the "worthless cd" is a license to play copyrighted material and not just a plastic disc. I think the artist deserves to be paid for their intellectual property. That is why I keep my cds, even though I doubt I will ever play them again.

    Spotify is great for discovering new material, but if I really like something I still buy the cd for the better quality sound.

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