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    Quote Originally Posted by Martyn Miles View Post
    You have much more experience, Dave.
    Not according to the HUG I don't..

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I hear differences with every amp I try. I have six sets of amplification available and each sounds different through my system. Yes, they're decent amps and my speakers are easy to drive, but very revealing.
    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Differences between amps is not as noticeable as differences between speakers but there all the same. I've never had, as I recall, any customer who couldn't reliably tell the difference between amps, providing the rest of the system is up to it. Whether the difference is worth spending money on is down to the individual.
    ditto on all counts. I have (so far as I recall) 5 different amps and notice differences between all of them, however the differences are minor and are of texture, quality, warmth and suchlike. The biggest differences I hear when switching are with speakers. I would go further and say the second biggest differences are between different DACs. All of this assumes a clean source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardlon View Post
    I would go further and say the second biggest differences are between different DACs.
    I've found that too. And even audible differences between digital cables, which some I'm sure would tell us is impossible.
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    In terms of hearing fundamental differences between 'competently designed' amplifiers, much depends on the price of the amps concerned, the technology used (valve or SS), and where the money has been spent. It also depends on whether you're judging just sound, or musical ability.

    Lots of amplifiers will make a 'nice enough noise', initially, but only the best ones truly draw you into the music - and that's where the big differences lie, and also what costs money!

    For example, I'm sure that this Cambridge amplifier, from Richer Sounds, has been 'competently designed' and sounds perfectly good: https://www.richersounds.com/cambridge-cxa60-blk.html

    But if compared with something, say, like Gazjam's bespoke-built (by Nick Gorham) 300B, or my KT150 Copper amp, which are both 'competently designed', but valve amps, and also rather more expensive than the Cambridge above, thus allowing the respective designers more of a 'free rein', as it were to optimise their equipment, then although the Cambridge has been 'competently designed', it will not have the same musical ability.

    It's easy to design an amplifier that makes a 'nice enough noise', but far harder to make one that truly draws you into the music, which you can listen to for hours, day after day, and that never disappoints, no matter what music you throw at it.

    That's the important bit, and something that may not be instantly obvious in a quickfire comparison, but only when you live with a piece of equipment for a while, so that its musical abilities have time to grow on you. Although, to be honest, in terms of the examples given above, I'd expect the differences to be obvious, even on the first listen!

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    Agree totally. Some amplifiers draw you in and are exciting and moving, whilst others are flat and uninvolving.

    But listening to amps isn't an option on the HUG. The official position is that all competently designed amps sound the same if they measure the same. In fact, it goes one stage further and amps are chosen because they measure well and nothing to do with how they sound. That's the part I cannot agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Agree totally. Some amplifiers draw you in and are exciting and moving, whilst others are flat and uninvolving.
    And chances are BOTH will have been 'competently designed'!

    But listening to amps isn't an option on the HUG. The official position is that all competently designed amps sound the same if they measure the same. In fact, it goes one stage further and amps are chosen because they measure well and nothing to do with how they sound. That's the part I cannot agree with.
    You should read the posts on the following thread, from both Dennis and me. They examine the psychological condition we suspect is responsible for such thinking: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...809#post925809

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    Speaking of amplifiers 'drawing you into the music', my experience with a Pro-ject 7 amp. from the '90s is an interesting
    one.
    A somewhat 'quirky' model, but had the ability to make you forget the kit and concentrate on the music.
    Much more so than an Arcam Alpha 5 amp. which replaced it, bought as it had more facilities than the
    Pro-ject 7.
    Ho hum, kit you wished you'd kept...

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    There is a theory that Harbeth promote the idea that you don't need a fancy amp with their speakers so that the punter has enough budget left to be able to be able to afford a pair...
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    Oh you cynic!

    That couldn't possibly be true...........

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    They are ruinously expensive though. I mean you would think a budget of five grand would be enough to buy a pretty good system but even if you bought the cheapest pair they do it doesn't leave much for amp and source. My experience with Harbs is very limited I will confess. Heard the Super SHL 5 at Scalford one time and that's it.

    I'd like to get a go on some of the big ones at some point. Small speakers don't do much for me regardless of how good they might be.
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