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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    But the point is, Matt, that some of the best sounding speakers ever made were produced during the pre-computer era, so clearly, the lack of such software didn't hold them back!

    I doubt my Tannoy Monitor Golds, produced in 1967, would've been built using computer software, and they sound stunningly good, as do many other (even older) vintage speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Not according to the HUG I don't..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmarley View Post
    ...you'd have as much chance as winning the lottery, as you would blending two drivers perfectly through the crossover region without software. What most people don't understand Is a crossover Is designed to sum correctly at a certain listening height and distance. I'm afraid It's pretty much Impossible to do that without software.
    Measuring equipment existed before computers were commonplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    But the point is, Matt, that some of the best sounding speakers ever made were produced during the pre-computer era, so clearly, the lack of such software didn't hold them back!
    Put It this way, I'd put money on It there are plenty of old designs that could be Improved with modern software.

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    Here's a well known speaker designers creation, reverse engineered by another speaker designer. According to the AudioExcite guy, the crossover was designed to work best at 1mtr. They are not supposed to be nearfield monitors, so It looks like something went wrong somewhere. Good luck to someone trying to get that kind of accuracy without software.

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    Does it have to sound right to measure right? Does it have to measure right to sound right?

    (there you go, that can be debated for hours )
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    As someone once said (Possibly), Antonio Stradivari didn't own a computer.

    But through his family and upbringing had a fantastic apprenticeship that allowed him to build what most people say are the best violins ever produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobvfr View Post
    As someone once said (Possibly), Antonio Stradivari didn't own a computer.

    But through his family and upbringing had a fantastic apprenticeship that allowed him to build what most people say are the best violins ever produced.
    Quite true. But what's that got to do with loudspeakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmarley View Post
    Put It this way, I'd put money on It there are plenty of old designs that could be Improved with modern software.
    Perhaps... Who knows? You'd have to try it. But there's also the chance that you might fuck things up!

    The point is, improving is one thing, but without the software the best old designs certainly don't sound broken, in the sense that it's impossible to do the job right without it.

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    People had expertise and a knowledge of mathematics long before computers arrived on the scene...

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