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    OK, I've just put the numbers for the Audio Technica into the software and the difference between 47 ohms and 100 ohms is negligible - less than 0.1dB at 20kHz and both as flat as a pancake. The only difference is 1dB drop in amplitude across the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    OK, I've just put the numbers for the Audio Technica into the software and the difference between 47 ohms and 100 ohms is negligible - less than 0.1dB at 20kHz and both as flat as a pancake. The only difference is 1dB drop in amplitude across the board.
    So that graph I posted WAS complete rubbish, now begs the question why does the MC section of the Mani appear to be inferior to the MM section.


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    mc on my mani sounded quite good with my ortophon
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    mc on my mani sounded quite good with my ortophon
    Which ortofon model was it ?


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    mc25 fl
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    In all fairness, the price you've paid gives you an acceptable MM stage, to expect it to be as good in MC is unrealistic. It takes a lot more effort to design and build a MC to be as good. If you want to REALLY hear the money's worth your spending, I'd change the phono stage before the cartridge. Just my 2p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    In all fairness, the price you've paid gives you an acceptable MM stage, to expect it to be as good in MC is unrealistic. It takes a lot more effort to design and build a MC to be as good. If you want to REALLY hear the money's worth your spending, I'd change the phono stage before the cartridge. Just my 2p

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    I think if a manufacturer produces a preamp with MM & MC sections a buyer has a right to expect parity in the performance of both stages or there is no point to having both together in one box.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z View Post
    I think if a manufacturer produces a preamp with MM & MC sections a buyer has a right to expect parity in the performance of both stages or there is no point to having both together in one box.


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    Whilst I agree in principle in that it'd be nice! It just doesn't work that way. Ask anyone who designs phonostages. A good MM stage with SUT or Headamp beats any MC phonostage according to most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    In all fairness, the price you've paid gives you an acceptable MM stage, to expect it to be as good in MC is unrealistic. It takes a lot more effort to design and build a MC to be as good. If you want to REALLY hear the money's worth your spending, I'd change the phono stage before the cartridge. Just my 2p

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    indeed. its a decent mc for the money considering you get a very good mm. you need to spend a fair bit more to improve it. I head amp with the schiit might be your best option
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    You might "expect parity" but you don't always get it, especially with lower priced phono stages. One of the best and least expensive phono stages which gives excellent results with MM and MC is the Rothwell Rialto. Great value.

    You can buy a Rialto for less than the price of a MC step up and I would suggest give better results than the Schitt and step up.

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