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    Thatís very deep.... I quite like it


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    I have experienced both and can say that SACD is quite different to CD but when my last SACD player went bang I didn't replace it. Happy to keep on with CD.
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    Thanks guys, youíve set my mind at ease. I donít feel like Iíve missed out or am missing anything from SACDís. I already own a few hundred CDís accumulated during the years it was impossible to find new vinyl, and most of my present CD purchases are used. Iíve bought several new vinyl albums of late, and a lot of used ones. So not embracing yet another standard that is even more expensive is OK by me.

    And honestly, if Super hi-fi is your goal, these days high resolution downloads are the way to go, I mean digital. In my system as it stands nothing beats a new 180 gram vinyl for reaching that emotional content. Although, since Iíve added the Cary CD player, it gives it a nice run for its money. I certainly donít mind hearing a CD instead of a vinyl album.

    Something to be said for a machine that put all of its eggs in one basket. A CD only player, in theory, concentrates on the best playback for CDís without wasting any money on other parts that play other mediums. In reality, that may not play out? But, it makes sense to some degree. At least thatís what the sales literature says! If itís to be believed. At any rate, I feel renewed confidence in my decision to buy a CD only player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    Sorry, this is a bit of a YES / NO / MAYBE answer.

    SACD is, and can be fabulous with the right Transport (not mentioning what brand). After spending what I consider a fortune on a Transport, I’m really disappointed as to the cost of SACD (only) disks “Not Hybrid”. The Japanese market is very different to ours, as they have embraced the technology and here in the UK finding the artist that you want is a bit of “Hit and Miss affair”, and it costs the earth.

    I think my advice is...... if I was as informed then, as I am now.... I probably wouldn’t have spent so much money on this technology. I guess the only bonus is.... with a decent Transport, CD also sounds FAB.

    The really irritating thing is ...... waiting 5 weeks or more + import duty to buy SACD from Japan, is a PAIN!!!!

    So...... as always, I head back to good old Vinyl when all else fails.

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    I get that I'm perhaps trying to cover all my bases here --- I don't subscribe to the idea that only single-layer discs sound good, or even that they're any better than hybrid discs. I love that the Japanese have embraced the format, but I think a lot of what they suggest is audiophile tomfoolery (like adherence to single-layer for SACD - never mind silliness like SHM and blu-spec CDs).

    I also don't feel that you need a lofty high-end transport or player to feel the benefit. The difference (small as it is IMO) can be heard even on my lowly system. My experience of a dCS player is similar. For me, there's a sense of air and ease on the best discs that rivals the best vinyl (although it is a different sound, as you might expect).

    The choice of music on SACD is disappointing in many genres of course, and Japanese imports are prohibitively expensive. I'd hate to think I had only one horse in the race, so to speak. I enjoy that I can play SACD. The nicest ones are some of the finest recordings I own. I won't lose sleep if I can't get my favourite album in an SACD version. Ambivalent enthusiasm?

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    I was under the impression that there was quite a big catalogue of Classical SACD available, and new ones still coming out?

    I can see the appeal of it if you want surround sound.

    As to the sound I don't know if it is maybe 'smoother' sounding than CD, sometimes I think so, sometimes I think it is my imagination. This could be down to the character of the typical SACD DAC rather than the medium, though. Wise not to make assumptions about what is responsible for the character of the sound you hear, especially with digital.
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    I hear the difference and have two SACD front ends, an Esoteric P5, D5 combo and a Marantz SA7.
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    I think I had an SA7 at one point Neil,
    Found its sonic presentation quite bland, and uninteresting to be honest, not realy sure what it was that gave it that character, even tried it at a friends in his system, same character, Its long gone now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    I hear the difference and have two SACD front ends, an Esoteric P5, D5 combo and a Marantz SA7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    I hear the difference and have two SACD front ends, an Esoteric P5, D5 combo and a Marantz SA7.
    Those are all VERY nice machines! Iím Jealous!


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    The different mastering is pretty easy to hear, and this is what convinces people that SACD is night and day better than CD. It fooled me when I first heard it. It is any difference beyond that, in the character of the sound, that I struggle with.

    I did use to think that it was worth having for the improved sound quality of the re-mastering (and re-mixing in some cases) but I've changed my stance on that in the last year or so. I'd rather have the original now.
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    I've got a few because I had a Cambridge universal player now an OPPO 205 which does sound excellent with SACD's , there is so much re-mastering going on these days what sounds better , God knows.
    I play DVD-As , Blu-Ray-As , SACDs , CDs , FLACs I no longer analyse just enjoy the music.
    One maybe interesting note I have a Japanese SACD (not hybrid) of Wishbone Ash's Argus , its the most expensive disc I have ever bought , I never played it because compared to my remastered CD it sounded flat and dull, I read on I think Steve Hoffman's forum that my CD was a terrible remastering and that the best or one of the best was my SACD , a bit more researching and the SACD needed quite a bit more volume , well blow me , it had been shoved at the back all these years , great recording , blows the CD away

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