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    You have two elements that "take no prisoners" - the Decca and the Yamahas.
    I know as I have both!
    However the Rock should be a bonus. Have you tried adding mass to the the Alphason, or adjusting the amount of damping?
    Admittedly I use an OL modded RB300 and a retipped Decca Blue but records that sound poor with the Decca also sound poor with my other cartridges.
    Experimenting could be worth trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuN View Post
    You have two elements that "take no prisoners" - the Decca and the Yamahas.
    There's some truth in that. Just bung a valve buffer in. Sorted!
    Mr. Tact!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuN View Post
    You have two elements that "take no prisoners" - the Decca and the Yamahas.
    I know as I have both!
    However the Rock should be a bonus. Have you tried adding mass to the the Alphason, or adjusting the amount of damping?
    Admittedly I use an OL modded RB300 and a retipped Decca Blue but records that sound poor with the Decca also sound poor with my other cartridges.
    Experimenting could be worth trying.
    That's exactly what I found with the Decca Blue Stu. It reveals all and with great recordings it is superb but quickly shows the shortcomings of poor recordings. This is why I could not use it as my daily driver. I prefer a slightly more neutral cartridge that is not quite as immediate but a bit more relaxing such as the 2M black.
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    This thread has put me off Deccas a bit.
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    I have 2 tonearms and cartridges (Decca C4E/Hadcock 228 and Allaerts MC1B/Schroeder Model 2) on my Platine Verdier, both feeding into TRON phono stages (Seven Reference for the Decca and upgraded onboard MC phono on my TRON Meteor preamp - precursor to the Syren). I have played LPs with both carts on the record simultaneously and can switch immediately from one to the other - so no need to use aural memory to compare.

    The Allaerts MC1B/Schroeder is an excellent set up - spacious wide sound stage, delicate, airy, stunning on vocals - so it should be as that's now a £5.5 k combination. But the C4E/Hadcock has more drive and dynamics (esp on percussion and piano). Ok the C4E does not have the spacious sound stage (bit narrower and more compressed front to back), the top end is not quite as refined, but the dynamic live sound wins almost all of the time.

    I'm afraid that poorly recorded records sound bad whichever set up I use. The Allaerts/Schroeder gets used for orchestral stuff and opera, but the Decca plays pretty much everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    any thoughts on a benz micro glider?
    Jamie, the Benz Micro Glider I cannot offer a view on, but I found the Benz Micro Wood SL to be slow, tame and uninvolving. After reading so many positive reviews I was hugely disappointed. It tracked well but produced no excitement whatsoever in my system.

    Others will no doubt have a more positive experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevied View Post
    This thread has put me off Deccas a bit.
    I'll quantify what I said at my Gold, I love it, and if any records sound poor with it, it's mostly 1980's mega thin vinyl, let's face it most of the 80's vinyl was crap as they pushed the limit of how much they could fit in a side and the LPs themselves became thinner and thinner to cut costs.

    A lot of production at that time also seemed to be all about the top end and nothing about the bottom end. Loads of LPs from this era ( that I own anyway ) seem to have been recorded with no bass player and the drummer is 3 studios away.

    Is it bad that a cartridge reveals all, well that depends on whether you want accuracy, or whether you want something pleasant to listen to, and there is the rub, pleasant might not reveal all, which means you will miss a helluva lot. However accurate might reveal all and you might not like what you hear.

    These are so many variables with vinyl playback, if we tried to 'fix' it all, jeezo we'd have 3 different turntables, 6 different arms and 27 different cartridges

    Welcome to vinyl

    PS: note that my crap LPs have sounded poor with all the carts I've owned, but to varying degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevied View Post
    This thread has put me off Deccas a bit.
    Remember. Most people that own them love them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Remember. Most people that own them love them!
    Most people, who have bought one, and then had it properly sorted (esp for second hand or vintage Deccas), love them. The modern Deccas built by John Wright are much better in terms of quality control compared to the lottery from Decca Special Products
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    Quote Originally Posted by topoxforddoc View Post
    Most people, who have bought one, and then had it properly sorted (esp for second hand or vintage Deccas), love them. The modern Deccas built by John Wright are much better in terms of quality control compared to the lottery from Decca Special Products
    That's the route is go if I were to buy one.

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