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  1. #11
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    I don't give a monkeys what acronym you use its all bollocks the only thing that matters is that YOUR enjoying it Stephen nothing else is relevant.

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    Acronyms have been with us for a long time. go back to the Romans and the Greeks, so not really new, although nowadays it is true that govts and the military use them the most, mainly as they shorten some hideously long names. Guess if you want to blame anyone for their increased use it would be business and commerse in the usa in late 19th century onwards. Roosevelt called it Alphabet soup
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    Ain't worth a thing if it ain't got that swing.

    I guess the key is to strive to get it all, resolution (or detail), soundstage, imaging, bass AND boogie factor.

    But yes, I agree, for me, if it doesn't make me move forget about it...nothing like a bit of air conducting or drumming

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJo View Post
    Ain't worth a thing if it ain't got that swing.

    I guess the key is to strive to get it all, resolution (or detail), soundstage, imaging, bass AND boogie factor.

    But yes, I agree, for me, if it doesn't make me move forget about it...nothing like a bit of air conducting or drumming
    Prats then whatever it is we all need it
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    For what my bit is worth I think that in my case, the foot tapping comes down to the music. I guess in that case what you have said is true. I used to listen back in 1975 on an ITT audio unit and I was just as moved by the music then as I am now so with that in mind, the music was just as good. For me, it is not the system it is the music. The sound system just adds a little extra 'sparkle'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJo View Post
    But yes, I agree, for me, if it doesn't make me move forget about it...nothing like a bit of air conducting or drumming
    LOL, back in 1977 I started messing with drums and percussion because I could just not stop tapping and drumming. Even now I am the same. If it doesn't get me tapping some kind of disjointed rhythm it has a big problem.

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    Hi All,
    I also think that when you listen to music on something you class as not important, in the context of HI FI, you just listen to the tune, and enjoy it for the pure emotion that it brings!
    I listen a lot to some of my favorite records on my old 1959 AMI jukebox for that very reason.
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    Indeed Anthony, which is why I wrote this the other day on another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco
    You have to get your head out of that 'analytical' zone and instead RELAX INTO the music as a whole, without 'intellectualising' [overthinking] the experience and fretting over specific aspects of the sound. Sometimes a way of achieving that is to temporarily abandon using your main (expensive) system, and instead listen to music on something upon which you place less sonic demands.

    That's why you can often derive as much pleasure (sometimes more) from listening to music on something so basic as a portable radio, as you do on your main system - and also why after spending time listening on something like that, or indeed anything deemed as being sonically inferior, then return to your main system, you often appreciate how good it really is!
    Relevant thread (and post), here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...808#post913808



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    Yes. The means by which one listens to music is less important than the music itself.

    An example being, that I sometimes hear interesting music on TV and enjoy it. (then wonder what it was and track it down and buy it )
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    Quote Originally Posted by worrasf View Post
    So folk need to be a little circumspect in their posts. I am both a dentist (and doctor) and a former captain in the Royal Army Medical Corps and am offended by both of these posts !!!


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    Sorry Stephen,
    No offence intended! I come at this from the standpoint of a patient, where the basic expectation is:
    Teeth hurt - attend dentists surgery - industrial noise levels in cranium and more pain - leave - things get better.
    We are all grateful for the outcome, but not necessarily enthusiastic about the process. The image of a person driving a vibrating machine quickly and rhythmically into my skull is unfortunately (from the perspective of good manners towards you) too close to an accurate portrayal of an old school Naim presentation to resist.
    Apologies to anyone else I have offended!

    Edit: no apologies for my dislike of the acronym explosion. It's an enduring litmus of administritis, and plagues government bodies and (ahem) NGOs as well as in business. Not a criticism of the armed forces at all.

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