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    Default Why do we do it!

    You have a really good sounding system and you think.....hmmm what if I swapped that for that.......and the nightmare starts. I tri-amp my speakers and use all solid state amplification. Despite those that say "all amplifiers sound the same" there are subtle differences between the three that I am currently using.

    I decided to change the orientation......Biiiiiigg mistake. I don't know about you but for me it is the undefinable stuff that makes up the final 5% of what you are hearing. You know when it is there and you know when it is not, why do we then bugger it all up and spend days/weeks/months trying to get it back.

    You would think that simply going back to what was there in the first place would put it all right. My experience is that for whatever reason the undefinable disappears. Maybe I am just being too hyper and only believe that it does not sound like it did. Anyone else ready to enter the asylum
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    Nope.
    No asylum for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    You have a really good sounding system and you think.....hmmm what if I swapped that for that.......
    YES !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    and the nightmare starts.


    No, it's all good fun.

    Onwards, ever onwards.
    Jerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Nope.
    No asylum for me.
    You're clearly not doing it properly
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    Jerry you are class Having said that we all know you are in a minority but nothing against that.

    The rest of us are already in the 'can it be bettered' asylum, along with Rob

    Just change one thing at a time, but in your case Rob that sounds rather complicated with three amps

    Agreed that all amps sound slightly different, get around to more bake-offs so you can really get confused

    All good fun, what's that expression 'When the fun stops STOP'

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    I think in the case od SS amps there are now a good few that are so good as to be regarded as near perfect, but even then there are subtle differences.

    I was given "infraction points", which "will be permanent", by Alan Shaw for asserting that I could hear a difference between an AVI S200MP pre, and an ATCSCA2 pre, and this was on the World At One pips, which sounds ridiculous.

    My conclusion; The human ear despite its measured limitations, can be regarded as of a very high capacity in determining qualitative differences, this I argue a result of out survival mechanisms developing to detect mimicked events. (think 1500s skull duggery deceptions).

    Psychologically we are also afraid of loss, and in our case losing the golden magic - the el dorado, or Nirvana, that we may be dismissing for another configuration. ('Oh, I'll never get that back' fear).

    One of the difficulties is that we are dealing with a conduit which is supposed to be objective, transparent to what goes through it, but to convey some of the most emotionally loaded material involving great passions. What a conflation.

    With every change we listen in an intense state of expectation rather than the casualty with which we ask ourselves, "Oh, did I wash up the coffee cups?", and this can cause misperception both positive and negative.

    I am in that state ATM with new speakers, trying to pinpoint in the change what are the benefits and potentially losses.
    What can we do, this is our cross to bear?.

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    You just need to regard it as an exploration, a journey, rather than as a desperate scramble to reach an unreachable Nirvana.

    Enjoy the vistas along the way, the discoveries, the new and the unexpected from the next curve in the road.
    So it's not perfect? OK. But then, what is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    The rest of us are already in the 'can it be bettered' asylum, along with Rob
    Keep me out of it!

    Marco [a happy and contented puppy, for whom now it's all about the music].
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    You just need to regard it as an exploration, a journey...
    Or, in the wrong hands, an ILLNESS [form of neurosis] ...

    All journeys, however, eventually come to an end.....once one reaches one's destination.... So I guess the question is: where is your destination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    You would think that simply going back to what was there in the first place would put it all right. My experience is that for whatever reason the undefinable disappears.
    Mine too. I stopped selling stuff altogether so that I could always go back and re-create previous set-ups. If you are a box swapper this means that kit starts piling up real quick. But it doesn't work and I have no idea why.
    Martin



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Or, in the wrong hands, an ILLNESS [form of neurosis] ...

    All journeys, however, eventually come to an end.....once one reaches one's destination.... So I guess the question is: where is your destination?

    Marco.
    just round the next bend
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