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    Although people may have found in pratice that cables with passive networks on colour the sound this is not the idea. The idea is that the network acts as a balancing element to counter the cables properties. ie, capacitance is balanced with inductance etc. Also there is an element of HF filtering hopefully way outside of the audio band so there is no effect on the phase response at what could be considered audiable.

    The problem I have with this is that purely by adding any components to a cable you will colour the sound in some way, although you may be able to measure the "corrective" effects.

    The other thing with passive networks is that the result in the real world is inconsistant as it depends on the source and receiving impedances.
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    You know, Mark, depending on the speakers and amp, bi-wiring often brings nothing really : bi-ampling does.
    Have you already tried bi-wiring with simple 2,5mm or 4mm copper cable ?
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    I've tried bi-amping before , twice actually , but I can't find another matching Classé power amp anywhere (and don't really have the funds either)

    This is only a play around experiment. I'm not looking at spending £x00s on wires. Just a few quid out of my beer token fund to see if it's worth it in the long run.

    If bi-wiring doesn't work then I'll just throw large spades over both runs and have them as extra thick normal stereo cables.

    It seemed to add something when I put the MIT cables in the system so I want to know if it was the thicker cable , the fancy cable , the bi-wire runs or the funny boxes attached to the wire.

    Only one way to find out , and that's suck it and see.

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    OK, this will throw the cat amongst the pigeons! In my opinion:

    An poor amplifier unable to drive difficult loads will sound better with weedy cable.

    A good amplifier able to drive difficult loads will sound better using big thick wire.

    www.soundhifi.com/cable.html is some of the cable I use and we can match any price, at least 50% if not much more off the price!

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    I don't see any 4 core 6mm thick cable on your website, am I missing something?

    ha ha

    at least 50% if not much more off the price!
    That's because you're charging pretty much double what everyone else charges.
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    OK, I'll bow out.

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    Bi-wiring seems to work, or at least change the sound, on some setups, but good speakers don't usually need it. In fact, I can see two speaker manufacturers who have now all but abandoned the concept with no complaints...

    try it and see and please report the outcomes...
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    Indeed, although my Focal's are not particularly expensive (compared to some), they sounded significantly better than some other more well known brands I auditioned before making my final decision.

    I was very surprised to discover that neither the 700v or 800v series are bi-wired!
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    No Sonus Faber are bi-wirable or bi-amped or whatever, afaik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cawley View Post
    A good amplifier able to drive difficult loads will sound better using big thick wire.

    www.soundhifi.com/cable.html is some of the cable I use and we can match any price, at least 50% if not much more off the price!
    Dave, is there any difference (qualitatively) between the 6.0mmsq Premium Van Damme Studio Timestep Cable:



    ...and the 6.0mmsq studio grade, other than the sheath?


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