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    For the last 10 years I've had a very thin BT extension cable running underneath my carpet as the BT Master Socket enters the house in the opposite corner to where my phone and router are placed

    As I have now ordered Fibre broadband I thought it about time I replaced the very thin cable with something more suitable to run around the skirting board/doors so I purchased some genuine BT cable, BT socket and BT plugs

    The cable is BT CW1308 4 Core, the socket a BT spec 2/3A IDC slave box and the plugs are BT spec 4 pin 431A's

    The genuine BT cable I have is coloured Blue, Brown, Green and Orange

    Seriously it was a complete nightmare to find a definitive answer as to how the socket/plug should be wired with this coloured cable as there seems to be many colour combinations available for BT cable

    The seller of the items was not much help to be honest

    I worked through everything I could find on the net and finally worked it out, what a complete minefield it was

    But finally I have a working phone and router ready for my Fibre
    Bev


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    First off, well done! Most folk bugger about and usually screw things up.
    Second off, why didn't you ask here?

    You could have saved yourself a lot of effort - I'm a Telecoms Engineer, and have dealt with stuff like this for 20 years or so, since ADSL first started being used.
    I do this kind of thing on a regular basis.
    Your previously existing extension cable would have been fine to use, and all you'd have had to do was change the filter from an ADSL one to a VDSL one.

    Your fibre connection will be FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet), which means it will be connected to your local roadside cabinet with vents in it (they are generally right next to cabinets that do not have vents in, and these could have been in situ for 30 years or more), accompanied by stickers with stuff like "Danger Of Death" and "Beware Laser".
    From the local cabinet it will use the existing cable to your premises.
    Nobody will need to turn up at your door to change anything, and you should receive a new router capable of handling the increased bandwidth through the post.
    The VDSL filter should be in the box with your new router.
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    I did the same as you Bev; replacing a computer/phone extension lead with a hard-wired system incorporating two new sockets. All components were bought from a DIY store (can't remember which one it was) and the terminals of the sockets were marked with the colours of the four wires used in the cable. No problems occured; I checked the first new socket with the phone before I went on to wire up the second.

    Anyway, well done - you cracked it Bev!
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    Ah, yes, the fun of moving phone sockets.

    Of course, moving the main one is illegal as it is BT's property, but to move it for you they want over £200, according to the nice lady I spoke to in India to raise the possibility of having ours moved. Even she was shocked and asked whether I could do it myself, whereupon I reminded her that only two minutes previously, she had told me that would be illegal!

    She also pointed out that if I did choose to have a go and move it myself, but made a mistake and had to call out BT to fix it, they would charge me. When I inquired how much, she told me £85! You really couldn't make this up...
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    Got mine done free. The phone engineer was a dog lover and liked my big lurcher and he appreciated the cuppa 'n biccie I gave him too. He sorted the main socket and incoming connections, rewired to my first extension (which was mine) and said all the problems were outside and I'd not need to worry about being charged!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    First off, well done! Most folk bugger about and usually screw things up.
    Second off, why didn't you ask here?

    You could have saved yourself a lot of effort - I'm a Telecoms Engineer, and have dealt with stuff like this for 20 years or so, since ADSL first started being used.
    I do this kind of thing on a regular basis.
    Your previously existing extension cable would have been fine to use, and all you'd have had to do was change the filter from an ADSL one to a VDSL one.

    Your fibre connection will be FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet), which means it will be connected to your local roadside cabinet with vents in it (they are generally right next to cabinets that do not have vents in, and these could have been in situ for 30 years or more), accompanied by stickers with stuff like "Danger Of Death" and "Beware Laser".
    From the local cabinet it will use the existing cable to your premises.
    Nobody will need to turn up at your door to change anything, and you should receive a new router capable of handling the increased bandwidth through the post.
    The VDSL filter should be in the box with your new router.
    I had a guy who fitted mine.. first he put the router in and then realised he needed to go get a modem too. no filter so I guess its a filtered faceplate in the new socket he fitted. Took a while but had no trouble in 3/4 years.
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    As an ex BT engineer of 35 years i may have been able to help.Glad to hear its ok now

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    I managed 27 years with BT International.

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    I guess I like a challenge

    I thought It'd be simple and all the info is available but it really was a minefield to find a difinitive answer

    I wonder if anyone can say whether I've dont it correctly?

    I have wired the extension slave box as follows:

    Blue Wire: Terminal 2
    Brown Wire: Terminal 3
    Green Wire: Terminal 4
    Orange Wire: Terminal 5

    I have wired the 431A Plug as follows:

    Blue Wire: Pin 5
    Brown Wire: Pin 4
    Green Wire: Pin 3
    Orange Wire: Pin 2

    This assumes that pin 6 is the pin nearest the side spring on the 431A

    Thanks for any confirmation
    Bev


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    Does it work with both the phone and your PC? If it does, you've done it correctly.
    Barry

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