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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    I'm not one for any kind of absolutes .... specifically to have Mac as an option waved away because you heard one iffy dem pissed me off. To say any RPi is always and everywhere 'far superior' on that basis is just bollocks and if were me I'd have noted that my statement was a bit daft (and unsupportable) and rowed back from it.

    And sorry for the typo.
    Again, I am expressing an opinion based on my subjective experience. The "iffy" demo I referred to was not the first time I had heard a mac based system, and was very good once the Mac was replaced as the source. You may, and clearly do, disagree, but that remains my judgement. taking the Mac out removed a degree of veiling that was very noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    Again, I am expressing an opinion based on my subjective experience. The "iffy" demo I referred to was not the first time I had heard a mac based system, and was very good once the Mac was replaced as the source. You may, and clearly do, disagree, but that remains my judgement. taking the Mac out removed a degree of veiling that was very noticeable.

    Geoff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post

    I will concede that Mac's are easy to use and that has some appeal to certain users but on sound quality, I think the latest batch of pi boards are far superior.

    Geoff
    The latest badge of pi boards, 'far superior' to Macs, full stop, no attempt at qualification.

    On the basis of one dodgy dem.

    Utter bollocks by any standard.
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    its horses for courses tbh. i like my pi but prefer the jriver for my own music. of all the streaming services, spotify is most convenient and sounds very good for lossy, but of the lossless i think deezer sounds best and is a better looking/using experience too....but thats just my pref.
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    confused..I thought the delivery of the file up to the conversion, was of far less importance. Maybe i'm wrong.
    I was led to believe that a good source file (red book or above) delivered to a quality USB / Spdif converter
    and then fed to a well built and well chosen component based DAC was what really mattered?

    I suppose it depends on what the control software is doing to the file pre delivery to the USB / Spdif converter.
    Personally I want the software to do as little as possible and deliver the whole file unmolested.
    Are we now saying that different OS on the delivery computers have different sounds? I can't understand that!
    Are we not bypassing the sound cards in the computers by using the kit down the chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    What you said was:



    The latest badge of pi boards, 'far superior' to Macs, full stop, no attempt at qualification.

    On the basis of one dodgy dem.

    Utter bollocks by any standard.
    Again your response perplexes me. I said it was not the first time I had heard a Mac front end. You say it was a dodgy dem, it was not. I had gone in to audition amplifiers and was very pleased with the audition, once the Mac was substituted. My audition improved with the CDP as source.

    I clearly indicated a subjective preference using the phrase "I think.."

    You are mis-representing my postings, and frankly getting too excitable about the whole business. Calm down. Life is too short.

    Enjoy your Mac and fancy DAC but accept that others may have different preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    confused..I thought the delivery of the file up to the conversion, was of far less importance. Maybe i'm wrong.
    I was led to believe that a good source file (red book or above) delivered to a quality USB / Spdif converter
    and then fed to a well built and well chosen component based DAC was what really mattered?

    I suppose it depends on what the control software is doing to the file pre delivery to the USB / Spdif converter.
    Personally I want the software to do as little as possible and deliver the whole file unmolested.
    Are we now saying that different OS on the delivery computers have different sounds? I can't understand that!
    Are we not bypassing the sound cards in the computers by using the kit down the chain?

    I believe a great deal is down to timing issues (see Tom's Mutec reclocker). I had my DAC USB board replaced/upgraded and there was a noticeable improvement in microdetail coming through due to the DAC USB having better timing (or rather taking charge of the timing vs. what the timing the computer has).

    I also noticed an improvement (not night/day) when I upgraded the lastleg of the ethernet link to a SoTM ethernet cable. Still can't figure out why the improvement but I guess the signal was less molested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    confused..I thought the delivery of the file up to the conversion, was of far less importance. Maybe i'm wrong.
    I was led to believe that a good source file (red book or above) delivered to a quality USB / Spdif converter
    and then fed to a well built and well chosen component based DAC was what really mattered?

    I suppose it depends on what the control software is doing to the file pre delivery to the USB / Spdif converter.
    Personally I want the software to do as little as possible and deliver the whole file unmolested.
    Are we now saying that different OS on the delivery computers have different sounds? I can't understand that!
    Are we not bypassing the sound cards in the computers by using the kit down the chain?
    I won't pretend to understand all the technical bits, but I understand that the new Allo Digione board was designed to deliver a "bit perfect" stream to a DAC with minimum noise and jitter. That is why it only has an RCA coaxial connection and not an optical one. On the basis of what I am hearing through my system, it has achieved its goal. It is a big improvement on the HifiBerry DIGI+ that I had been using. No, it is not the best source in the world, but for 150 quid, you have to spend a lot more to get a significant improvement.

    Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    Again your response perplexes me. I said it was not the first time I had heard a Mac front end. You say it was a dodgy dem, it was not. I had gone in to audition amplifiers and was very pleased with the audition, once the Mac was substituted. My audition improved with the CDP as source.

    I clearly indicated a subjective preference using the phrase "I think.."

    You are mis-representing my postings, and frankly getting too excitable about the whole business. Calm down. Life is too short.

    Enjoy your Mac and fancy DAC but accept that others may have different preferences.
    Go back and read what you wrote.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

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    Finally I dip my foot into the water. Just got a 4 year old Pioneer n-50 streamer off the bay for 180, signed up to Spotify premium.
    Current system. TT - NAS Interspace, Jelco 750, Goldring 2200/Denon 110/Ortofon Blue, Nakamichi CA-5 (as phono stage). Streaming - Pioneer N-50K. CD Player - Pioneer PD 8700. Ruark Talisman II.

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    Do you like?
    Source: Win10 server, Win10 Mini-ITX Renderer running JRiver & Tidal/Roon
    DAC / Preamp: Perreaux DP32, Secondary DAC:
    Chevron Paradox
    Amp: Radford Revival STA25, TubeHunter Class D IRS2092
    Speakers:, Tannoy Eatons, Kudos Cardea C2, BatPure Supertweeters (and others)
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