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    Quote Originally Posted by mightymonoped View Post
    Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm wondering if the simplest solution to your requirements would be this:

    https://www.allo.com/sparky-eu/boss-player.html @ approx 105

    This is a complete plug and play solution as you can order it with the streaming system pre-installed.

    • The Boss player would be connected to your amp via RCA.
    • It can be accessed via computer, phone, or tablet.
    • It can be accessed wired or wirelessly.
    • It will stream Spotify and Youtube content.
    • It can access most Web Radio (including all BBC stations)
    • It can access any future music storage system (wired or wirelessly)
    • It can be updated online easily (using a simple screen on computer, phone or tablet)



    and it sounds very good indeed!
    Forgot the important bit..Order it with the OS = Volumio
    A mainly digital setup with a musical amplifier and endearing 1970's speakers. A CD player that hardly ever gets used and a turntable that is good enough to remind my how enjoyable my old vinyl is. Some cables and things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    WHat the hell is a patch? I have no idea what you're talking about! But thanks anyway.
    A patch is what you use to fix things.
    Such as a bicycle inner tube, a leaky roof, or, as in this case, software.
    Chris



    Once we've made sense of our world, we wanna go fuck up everybody else's because his or her truth doesn't match mine. But this is the problem. Truth is individual calculation. Which means because we all have different perspectives, there isn't one singular truth, is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    WHat the hell is a patch? I have no idea what you're talking about! But thanks anyway.
    There are two approaches to this - use a hardware device built for streaming, or a computer (which is what a Raspberry Pi is, albeit a very small one).

    With a hardware-based device, you still need software, this comes in the form of firmware upgrades every so often which are uploaded by various means to the device.

    I wouldn't worry too much about spotify in the short term their interface seems to have been pretty stable but the principle is fair enough - at some point, now or in 5 years or whenever, things are likely to change. And with a hardware device you are stuck with whatever DAC they give you which may or may not be up to spec.

    Using a computer you have loads of choices. Get pissed off with Spotify, they go bust (possible) or jack their prices up - then go elsewhere. You can try out all sorts of streamer software and service options - at the same time if you want, no hassle just fire them up - and aren't tied to any particular USB receiver or DAC. There are generally multiple choices for control from phones or tablet devices.

    The challenge is - it's a computer and needs a bit of setting up. (To be fair so does any approach). An RPi isn't for a neophyte you have to learn to hack it to get it to work at all. I've worked in IT for 20 years and I still got fed up with it. I now use an ancient (9 year old) Macbook - a couple of hundred quid's worth these days - and it works perfectly. That either into a USB DAC or USB-SPDIF converter into a normal DAC, and you are cooking.

    I looked at hardware devices before going down the computer route and for me it's a no-brainer.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    There are two approaches to this - use a hardware device built for streaming, or a computer (which is what a Raspberry Pi is, albeit a very small one).

    With a hardware-based device, you still need software, this comes in the form of firmware upgrades every so often which are uploaded by various means to the device.

    I wouldn't worry too much about spotify in the short term their interface seems to have been pretty stable but the principle is fair enough - at some point, now or in 5 years or whenever, things are likely to change. And with a hardware device you are stuck with whatever DAC they give you which may or may not be up to spec.

    Using a computer you have loads of choices. Get pissed off with Spotify, they go bust (possible) or jack their prices up - then go elsewhere. You can try out all sorts of streamer software and service options - at the same time if you want, no hassle just fire them up - and aren't tied to any particular USB receiver or DAC. There are generally multiple choices for control from phones or tablet devices.

    The challenge is - it's a computer and needs a bit of setting up. (To be fair so does any approach). An RPi isn't for a neophyte you have to learn to hack it to get it to work at all. I've worked in IT for 20 years and I still got fed up with it. I now use an ancient (9 year old) Macbook - a couple of hundred quid's worth these days - and it works perfectly. That either into a USB DAC or USB-SPDIF converter into a normal DAC, and you are cooking.

    I looked at hardware devices before going down the computer route and for me it's a no-brainer.
    Its becoming clearer, sometime this century I might join the download revolution, until then its 33.3 revolutions. No seriously, for some reason I thought because a hifi company made a streamer it might sound better than a laptop, is this not the case?
    Current system. TT - NAS Interspace, Jelco 750, Goldring 2200/Denon 110/Ortofon Blue, Nakamichi CA-5 (as phono stage). Streaming - Pioneer N-50K. CD Player - Pioneer PD 8700. Ruark Talisman II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    Its becoming clearer, sometime this century I might join the download revolution, until then its 33.3 revolutions. No seriously, for some reason I thought because a hifi company made a streamer it might sound better than a laptop, is this not the case?
    It'll sound great until it doesn't work.
    If there are no patches it will be landfill.
    Chris



    Once we've made sense of our world, we wanna go fuck up everybody else's because his or her truth doesn't match mine. But this is the problem. Truth is individual calculation. Which means because we all have different perspectives, there isn't one singular truth, is there?

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    Are there any benefits to streamers at all? I mean 'proper' hifi streamers. I don't want my music sounding like a compressed olde worlde mp3 player!
    Current system. TT - NAS Interspace, Jelco 750, Goldring 2200/Denon 110/Ortofon Blue, Nakamichi CA-5 (as phono stage). Streaming - Pioneer N-50K. CD Player - Pioneer PD 8700. Ruark Talisman II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    Are there any benefits to streamers at all?
    You get to buy a shiny box that will work for a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    I mean 'proper' hifi streamers. I don't want my music sounding like a compressed olde worlde mp3 player!
    It doesn't matter how shiny the box is, or which brand name is on it, the defining thing about the sound is going to be the quality of the stream in the first place.
    Chris



    Once we've made sense of our world, we wanna go fuck up everybody else's because his or her truth doesn't match mine. But this is the problem. Truth is individual calculation. Which means because we all have different perspectives, there isn't one singular truth, is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    I looked at hardware devices before going down the computer route and for me it's a no-brainer.
    +1

    Pretty much any computer made in the last 10 years will give very acceptable results. In fact I had an old Dell machine (probably over 12 years old) and just for the lolz I threw Linux on and a mate is now using it as a JRiver server/renderer. Plays Spotify very nicely. Adam, of this parish, is currently using an old (about 4 years old) Win 10 HP machine of mine running Roon Core with Tidal and he seems well pleased.
    Source: Win10 server, Win10 Mini-ITX Renderer running JRiver & Tidal/Roon
    DAC / Preamp: Perreaux DP32, Secondary DAC:
    Chevron Paradox
    Amp: Radford Revival STA25, TubeHunter Class D IRS2092
    Speakers:, Tannoy Eatons, Kudos Cardea C2, BatPure Supertweeters (and others)
    Power Conditioner: ISOtek Qube 1k
    Currently resting: Radford Revival Prototype preamp, Paul Baldwin 405C amp, PMC LB1 Signature

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    laptop, usb cable, usb dac, jriver and deezer hifi. job done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    Its becoming clearer, sometime this century I might join the download revolution, until then its 33.3 revolutions. No seriously, for some reason I thought because a hifi company made a streamer it might sound better than a laptop, is this not the case?
    You aren't listening to a laptop ... you are listening to digitised sound (sound converted to binary bits) that needs stored, accessed, transported across networks, aligned in time order and decoded to analogue. Most of the hard bits of that are in the domain of computing, not hifi. The only real hifi bit of that is the output stage after the digital to analogue conversion. Everything else is processing in the digital domain.

    I'd rather use the best individual components to do this - a Mac with remote ipad control for user interface, the best USB to SPDIF converstion possible, a good tube DAC - than rely on someone's choices of a one-box solution, fixed in metal until its inevitable obscolesce
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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