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    Quote Originally Posted by bob4333 View Post
    Whoa Marco. Now I'm going to worry about that.

    Seriously, next time I'm in a comparative mood I'll give it a go, but nothing has hit me yet. Are you talking about PRaT vs Tone?
    Lol...What are you like?

    Yeah, kind of. My advice would be to spend a week listening to a selection of familiar music with the clamp ON, just to attune/acclimatise yourself to the sound.

    Then take the clamp off, and with the same music (perhaps choose a particular track to do the assessment test), ascertain if you can hear anything different, based on what you'd previously heard throughout the week, in terms of your enjoyment of the music and ability to 'get into it'.

    If any REAL difference exists, good or bad, it should hit you immediately!

    That's how I usually assess these things. *But* the test process has to involve familiar music, and be carried out for at least week. Quick-fire A/B/A tests, with such items, usually reveal little, if anything. See how you get on

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    With the clamp (or weight) the sound is usually a little more solid sounding but also drier - less ‘airy sparkle’ sort of thing. However, it also emphasises the sound of the record mat. If you struggle to hear the difference between mats then I wouldn’t bother with a clamp (or weight) - you don’t need one to stop record slip, even on a glass mat (unless you want to clean your records on your turntable, which I wouldn’t recommend).

    Oh, the majority of mats (I have bought borrowed and made practically every type from humble to exotic) do behave as elaborate tone controls, damping some frequencies and exaggerating others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Marco kindly mentions the clamp I developed which effectively acts like a weight but without mass - sounds like a contradiction but it's true. This clamp was developed for my own use with my own design of turntable and my own design of mat. Inevitably there is an element of 'system' about how these parts interact with each other but they can work independently - the use of them together is not mandatory for success and a number of people use my mat without a clamp; Marco uses the clamp without my mat (I think) and one friend uses both.
    Absolutely. And it's without your mat. I use a Nagaoka glass mat, the combination with which is superb. You really are being too modest, Mark. Your design, IMO, is excellent and worthy of being put into proper production as a commercial product, and sold through on-line retailers, at a price that would give you a respectable margin of profit.

    I'm serious! There's nothing like it on the market, and I'm confident that it would work well on most T/Ts

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    Thanks Marco, I must admit I’m pleased with it and do use a version of it myself. Indeed, there has been talk of commercialising it but nothing has come of it as yet. It’s not entirely universal though, it won’t work on Pink Triangle decks and Rocksans for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Thanks Marco, I must admit I’m pleased with it and do use a version of it myself. Indeed, there has been talk of commercialising it but nothing has come of it as yet. It’s not entirely universal though, it won’t work on Pink Triangle decks and Rocksans for example.
    Indeed, but it would work on the vast majority of turntables. If I were you, I'd give commercialising it some serious consideration, as I'm usually quite good a spotting a seller

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    Default record clamp/weights useful or not? Any ideal weight?

    As ever, life and work get in the way. In truth Iím not that interested in commercialising my designs. If it hadnít been for Roger at Tigerpaw the Tranquility would probably never have reached production and I designed the majority of it years ago.

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    Yeah I know how it is, mate. One to ponder though, if the urge ever takes you!

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    If anyone is interested in bringing it to market then I'm happy to partner up and provide drawings, CAD etc. AS you say, there isn't anything like it on the market and it does work in an inherently different way. I'm always looking toward the new though - my latest is a turntable suspension that I've never seen done before and for the really ambitious there is a tonearm design that is quite unique .

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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    My experience is that the snap-on clamp makes the sound more strident, so I stopped using it. I prefer more relaxed sound myself.
    Yeah, I can certainly understand that observation.
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    I've tried both weights and Michell clamp.

    I found the clamp had a sucking of the music effect on the Techie.

    My approach has always been simply no heavy weights and to just trust my ears.

    This has proven the best by far, doesnt add or take away really, just ever so slightly tightens things up a bit to my ears.
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