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    To my ears, without the clamp, there's a subtle blurring of musical information and lack of 'focus' on instruments and voices, which with the clamp fitted is rendered as absent. Often with these things, one needs to focus on musical differences, as opposed to tonal ones (as automatically tends to be the case), which are likely to be minimal at best.

    Anyway, if you can't hear any difference with or without the clamp in situ, that's probably a good thing, as it's one less thing to worry about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    To my ears, without the clamp, there's a subtle blurring of musical information and lack of 'focus' on instruments and voices, which with the clamp fitted is rendered as absent. Often with these things, one needs to focus on musical differences, as opposed to tonal ones (as automatically tends to be the case), which are likely to be minimal at best.

    Anyway, if you can't hear any difference with or without the clamp in situ, that's probably a good thing, as it's one less thing to worry about!

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    Totally agree Marco. A much more sharply etched sound with crystal clear transients. A lot less blurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Interesting, Bob, that you should mention the Orbe (and I believe this also applies to the Gyrodec), in that the record clamping system is integral to the design of the turntable itself, and well-thought out, thus not simply something that's been added later, as an afterthought, which is often the case with these things...

    That, for me, is key to the likely (sonic) success of any record clamping system ['system' being the operative word].

    In that respect, it really needs to be factored into the design of the turntable, from the ground up. I'm surprised though, that you can't hear any difference without it, as anytime I've tried it with an Orbe, the sound, with the clamp fitted, has always been no-brainer better!

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    Yes indeed, the Pro-Ject clamping system is integral to the design as well and is probably the reason it works so clearly.
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    Record clamps that screw onto, or into, the record spindle (like the Michell) are capable of applying significantly more pressure than other clamping methods or record weights (unless said weight is extremely bulky). They don't apply additional force to the bearing (some minor mass but negligible) but they do couple the bearing very closely to the record - and the record very tightly to the mat. They also put the record through a great deal of force and the pressure applied is not even across the surface (hence some peripheral clamping rings that exist).

    Marco kindly mentions the clamp I developed which effectively acts like a weight but without mass - sounds like a contradiction but it's true. This clamp was developed for my own use with my own design of turntable and my own design of mat. Inevitably there is an element of 'system' about how these parts interact with each other but they can work independently - the use of them together is not mandatory for success and a number of people use my mat without a clamp; Marco uses the clamp without my mat (I think) and one friend uses both.

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    title edited...it was annoying me
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    It still says "Any ideal wieght?(sp)" Grant....

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    Doh! was out of sight when I edited..lol fixed now I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post

    ..... focus on musical differences, as opposed to tonal ones ......

    Anyway, if you can't hear any difference with or without the clamp in situ, that's probably a good thing, as it's one less thing to worry about!

    Marco.
    Whoa Marco. Now I'm going to worry about that.

    Seriously, next time I'm in a comparative mood I'll give it a go, but nothing has hit me yet. Are you talking about PRaT vs Tone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smangus View Post
    Hi Folks

    I'm toying with the idea of trying out a record clamp/weight, are they of any use at all? I have a Notts Analogue interspace SE so no issue with suspension etc.

    What sort of difference should one make to sound etc?

    I bought a 45 rpm adapter from this seller and it's nicely made so I thought I might try a weight from them but they have different weights on offer. The 45 adapter is nicely machined so I'm considering a weight too.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/45-Record-...YAAOSwrblZmHiD

    any comments welcome. cheers

    My experience is that the snap-on clamp makes the sound more strident, so I stopped using it. I prefer more relaxed sound myself.
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