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    Default Ultrasonic RCM - thoughts

    There's a couple of ultrasonic RCMs on fleabay at the moment - any thoughts on this method as compared to the usual....
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    No one has an opinion on RCM's?
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    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
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    I believe you need or should be trying for a high frequency transducer if going that way, and unfortunately they cost a lot. Its all about bubble size
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    But are they any better than the usual method?


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    The Truth linestage
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    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    who knows; depends on who you talk to, but for extra cost i would say no. maybe quieter tho and cleaner if they dry them too. a moth bi directional cleans very well so it hard to imagine it getting much cleaner
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    You can make your own for a few hundred quid. Why pay audioPHOOL prices for a glorified instrument cleaner?
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    There is some concern that damage can occur to the vinyl due to cavitation. One recent ex-Member, who had done some research into record cleaning, was quite adamant ultrasonic RCM were bad for the health of your records.

    I might be a good idea to learn if any professional record archivists use them.
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    I have tried an ultrasonic cleaner and didn't find it any more effective than a Moth and therefore not good value IMO. Furthermore, I have used a Moth for 30 years and know it is perfectly safe.

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    Sounds good... 'Ultrasonic'. Great marketing.

    Not sure how it can be bad for records unless the surfactant somehow reacts to the ultrasonic thus damaging the record?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    I have tried an ultrasonic cleaner and didn't find it any more effective than a Moth and therefore not good value IMO. Furthermore, I have used a Moth for 30 years and know it is perfectly safe.
    +1 Dave... The Moth is very good indeed.
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