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    Join Date: Dec 2015

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    Default Modern versus vintage CD players

    I'm toying with the idea of buying a digital source and am interested in the cream of the cream of Sony, Pioneer from the 80s. But, are they fixable if anything goes wrong, and do they really lose out on sound
    quality? I'm talking the best of the best from that era - so not cheap even now.

    Any thoughts...
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    Default Modern versus vintage CD players

    If you want vintage look I'd go audio research .. good performers too. Look hasn't changed much either since the original CD1 reference in the early 90s so plenty of options and price points.

    I had a Pioneer Elite something or other that was very good but not sure I would put it up against my current audio note DAC ... the ARC would compete though I think.
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    Mostly they are fixable but you are still taking a chance. Asking prices for the rarer stuff doesn't really reflect that, unfortunately. That will change as CD continues to become a quaint relic from the 1990s. Despite that there will always be some residual value in the best players though; I mean you can't pick up a working Sony Elcassete machine or a Nakamichi Dragon for buttons and you probably never will.

    As for sound, the improvement of digital since the 1980s has been mostly in the mind and the marketing departments, IMO of course.
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    I was thinking top of the Sony chain, not the es range. I too had an elite and agree Tom - not the ultimate but looked lovely.
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    Often not repairable or very difficult sourcing the parts and getting increasing more so as tempus fugits... I'd avoid.

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    I guess even if it comes with a 12m warranty that doesn't mean most of that time won't be spent on the bench.
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    Often not repairable or very difficult sourcing the parts and getting increasing more so as tempus fugits... I'd avoid.
    Agreed. Plus, there's a lot of modern budget DACs out there that'll outperform vintage CDPs, without the issue of failing transports - modern transports unfortunately probably won't last 20+yrs like the vintage stuff is / was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    Often not repairable or very difficult sourcing the parts and getting increasing more so as tempus fugits... I'd avoid.
    spot on and so true....spare yourself the heart ache and cost

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    There is a small community after certain vintage players but they know what they are doing to service and restore them. They know what mechanisms they are looking for and often have spare parts to hand. The lampizator crew as I call them and a surprising number of people in Yorkshire

    I was only interested in the first players for nostalgia. I soon got out when they were difficult to repair.

    You would be far better putting your money towards the units currently produced

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    My Audio Research CD1 is still performing anybody else still using one?Think it cost me 300 a couple of years ago bin fodder when it fails though!

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