The vinyl illusion ?

[Marco]

But is it as good as the original?



It would seem Telefunken are now making modern replicas of other vintage and highly regarded valve microphones such as the AKG C12 and C24.

Not sure what that video was designed to illustrate, with both mics being used together in such close proximity?

But yes, a proper comparison between old and new would be most interesting.

Marco.

[Pharos]

From Stratmangler;
"I don't make any attempt whatsoever to make sense of imprecise and inarticulate posts ......"

This really is a problem for me with most spoken English now, especially on media, and I argue that it is not because I am grumpy or old.

It follows that any communication medium has, if progress is desired, to be high resolution in order to clearly define and deal with relevant 'leading edge' factors which are desired to be improved on.

Media are packed with clichés, poor grammar, unanswered questions, interruptions, poor enunciation, and many other flaws, all of which serve to dilute of obscure any clear understanding, and so sabotage even grasping the problems, let alone progress.

This lack of clarity can be very revealing of the thought processes themselves, but it is often very hard work to unscramble, and surely a fundamental politeness to those with whom we are trying to communicate, is to present a view or argument coherently and clearly.

[Haselsh1]

all of which serve to dilute of obscure

I think that what you are attempting to say is 'or' obscure

[Barry]

Not sure what that video was designed to illustrate, with both mics being used together in such close proximity?

But yes, a proper comparison between old and new would be most interesting.

Marco.

What is not to understand. Two mikes placed as close together as possible (obviously they can't both occupy the same space) and fed with the same 'signal' (the singer's voice). The video then switches back and forth between each microphone.

I thought I could hear a very small difference; preferring the Neumann U47 as being slightly sweeter, but as time went on and with a change from male to female singer, I became unsure of my preference. Not sure if the fidelity of the speaker in my laptop is sufficient to demonstrate any difference.

[Marco]

What is not to understand. Two mikes placed as close together as possible (obviously they can't both occupy the same space) and fed with the same 'signal' (the singer's voice). The video then switches back and forth between each microphone.

But surely by being placed so closely together, the one not being sung into is still picking up the singers voice regardless, thereby tainting it with its own sonic signature? I'm sure it would be sufficiently sensitive.

The test would've been better, and the results more valid, had the respective microphones been placed further apart, so that neither could interfere with the other.

Marco.

[Stratmangler]

What is not to understand. Two mikes placed as close together as possible (obviously they can't both occupy the same space) and fed with the same 'signal' (the singer's voice). The video then switches back and forth between each microphone.

I thought I could hear a very small difference; preferring the Neumann U47 as being slightly sweeter, but as time went on and with a change from male to female singer, I became unsure of my preference. Not sure if the fidelity of the speaker in my laptop is sufficient to demonstrate any difference.

I had a listen over headphones, and couldn't hear any difference when the mics were switched.
I'm not sure that the lossy audio compression Youtube uses leaves enough information to make any kind of value judgement.
From the video it sounds that it's mission accomplished with the new microphone.

[Stratmangler]

But surely by being placed so closely together, the one not being sung into is still picking up the singers voice regardless, thereby tainting it with its own sonic signature?

The test would've been better, and the results more valid, had the respective microphones been placed further apart, so that neither had interfered with the other.

Marco.

They were both being sung into for the duration of the piece.
The mic switching was done in post production. They'll have just switched between the two channels that were recorded on.

[Marco]

Fair enough, but I still don't think that was the ideal way to have conducted the test.

Marco.

[Stratmangler]

They managed to eliminate the biggest variable - the singer, and the way they sang the part.

[Marco]

Yes, but the fact that both mics were being sung into at the one time means that they would've BOTH influenced the sound of the singers voice to some extent, regardless of how they were supposedly 'separated out' in post production.

It would've been better had both mics been set up in the same room, but on separate stands, sufficiently far apart from each other to eliminate any possible 'sonic cross-contamination', with the singer singing into one, then moving over and singing into the other.

Marco.