As expected this thread has gone from vinyl to the rest of the set up creating the "illusion " so cd and streaming will be no different.
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As expected this thread has gone from vinyl to the rest of the set up creating the "illusion " so cd and streaming will be no different.
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Totally agree 100%Originally Posted by jandl100
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I do not even attempt to make my system 'realistic' as any hi-fi system is only ever going to be a 'representation' and therefore a facsimile of the real thing.
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Yes, but some undoubtedly make music sound more 'real' than others!
If you don't at least have that goal in mind, in the first place, then why own proper hi-fi [the key words here] system? At this point, I would remind folks of the definition of 'High-Fidelity':
"The reproduction of sound with little distortion, giving a result very similar to the original".
I think some of you have somewhat 'lost focus' on why we do (or should be doing) what we do!
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Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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A lot of recordings are not 'the real thing' to begin with. The goal is fidelity to the recording, not to the band playing live since they probably were not playing live on the recording.
You can get a hi-fi that would be indistinguishable from 'the real thing'? Yes. it would cost a few bob and the speakers especially would need to be very good. But you could replicate a jazz quartet or string quartet playing live, assuming the recording didn't miss much. System hidden behind a curtain, you could be fooled. It has been done by QUAD before.
Claiming there is no point in striving for accuracy so you might as well have colouration in the sound is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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So you don't want to make your system as realistic as possible? I thought this was the whole idea of an audiophile hifi set up, the goal being to make vocals, instruments and music sound as realistic as possible.
Just a representation of a vocal, instrument etc is not really what I would be after. I want to be convinced I am listening to a real instrument, that is the benchmark!
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My point precisely... If that's your mindset, then pack in hi-fi and buy your gear now on from Asda - and save yourself a lot of money!
Yup, but chances are, if you set out with that goal (and achieve it as closely as possible), then your system will also be capable of making a piano sound like a piano, and a guitar, a guitar, as a worthy by-product! The reverse also applies...
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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Think I mightMy point precisely... If that's your mindset, then pack in hi-fi and buy your gear now on from Asda - and save yourself a lot of money!
Yup, but chances are, if you set out with that goal (and achieve it as closely as possible), then your system will also be capable of making a piano sound like a piano, and a guitar, a guitar, as a worthy by-product! The reverse also applies...
Marco.
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Yes, I agree. A lot of audiophiles seem to have a naive belief that what they're listening to was performed in the studio as live and captured by a pair of microphones acting like the ears of an observer in front of the band. That may be the case for (some?) classical music, but very very unlikely for anything else.
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Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!
Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!
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