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    Totally agree with your thoughts there Marco, spot on! I am like you definitely in the camp of trying to voice my system to sound as close to a realistic representation of the music/ recording as possible. Sometimes music can sound uncomfortable , loud and even shouty but that is how real stuff sounds live.
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    What's this with 'illusion'?

    No such illusion here as far as I'm concerned, just stonkingly good reproduction with a front seat into the music.
    Recent tweaks have upped the enjoyment even more which is brilliant.

    I am a believer that every component in the chain has to be at least bordering on the excellent end of the scale.

    Transparency, as in hearing and feeling the emotion..... got it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    What's this with 'illusion'?

    No such illusion here as far as I'm concerned, just stonkingly good reproduction with a front seat into the music.
    Recent tweaks have upped the enjoyment even more which is brilliant.

    I am a believer that every component in the chain has to be at least bordering on the excellent end of the scale.

    Transparency, as in hearing and feeling the emotion..... got it
    Lol... I think we'd all say the same thing about our systems, Alan, but it doesn't mean that what we're hearing, in reality, is anything but simply an illusion of 'real', albeit it a thoroughly convincing one (to us)

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

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    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    It seems to me James that you want your system to not have a voice.

    The use of the word voice, often started by speaker manufacturers surely is an allusion to the fact that neutrality is an ideal which cannot be attained, and so the particular form of errors or distortions are chosen because they are more pleasurable or less offensive than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... I think we'd all say the same thing about our systems, Alan, but it doesn't mean that what we're hearing, in reality, is anything but simply an illusion of 'real', albeit it a thoroughly convincing one (to us)

    Marco.
    Exactly.
    The reality is that we all tune our systems to match as closely as possible our (often evolving) individual preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    It seems to me James that you want your system to not have a voice.

    The use of the word voice, often started by speaker manufacturers surely is an allusion to the fact that neutrality is an ideal which cannot be attained, and so the particular form of errors or distortions are chosen because they are more pleasurable or less offensive than others.
    Au contraire mon ami! I try to voice my system to play music as I would like to hear which is as close to a realistic representation as possible but this does not mean I don't want to voice my system . Inevitably we all have to do that as you will have to agree whatever we do is only an approximation of the real thing?
    Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Exactly.
    The reality is that we all tune our systems to match as closely as possible our (often evolving) individual preferences.
    Indeed, Jerry, although my preferences (read as 'goals') for my system, have remained the same since day one, and which are as I've outlined. Now that I've achieved those goals, with my current system, the equipment will remain the same, thus so will my preferences...

    Your preferences may indeed evolve, simply because your system frequently does, as is the want of a champion box-swapper!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Au contraire mon ami! I try to voice my system to play music as I would like to hear which is as close to a realistic representation as possible but this does not mean I don't want to voice my system.
    Of course... You 'voice' your system to make instruments and voices sound as real (as possible), to your ears, as indeed I do.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Hmm.
    I've heard many high end systems at private residences and at Shows, as have most of us I am sure.

    None of them sound the same as any other. None.
    We all have different goals and also music types that we want to reproduce, and I maintain that those goals are subjective no matter how much we want to kid ourselves that we have emulated 'reality'.
    'Reality' is a movable feast anyway!
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    Just bung some music on and don't fret about it.
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