The vinyl illusion ?

[Marco]

Hmm.
I've heard many high end systems at private residences and at Shows, as have most of us I am sure.

I agree, and I don't see anyone here saying any different.

We all have different goals and also music types that we want to reproduce, and I maintain that those goals are subjective no matter how much we want to kid ourselves that we have emulated 'reality'.

But as long as we've "emulated reality", to our ears, based on our judgement criteria, then that's all that matters!

Marco.

[RothwellAudio]

Just bung some music on and don't fret about it.

I agree. I wonder how some folks ever get any pleasure from their music when they're always obsessing about minutiae.

Just to clarify what I was trying to say earlier, I believe that any amount of mucking about in the studio to create a "nice" sound is perfectly valid - and there's usually a hell of a lot of mucking about done on most recordings. That's part of the the creative process.
However, once the recording is finished and handed over to the consumer for replay the mucking about should stop. Ok, a bit of fine tweaking is acceptable, but trying to continue the studio's or artist's creative mucking about is taking it too far.
I suppose I was trying to say that recording is one thing - replaying the finished article is another.

[Marco]

However, once the recording is finished and handed over to the consumer for replay the mucking about should stop. Ok, a bit of fine tweaking is acceptable, but trying to continue the studio's or artist's creative mucking about is taking it too far.

Exactly!

And if you do that, then don't call yourself a hi-fi enthusiast; merely a sound-effects engineer

Marco.

[struth]

oops, ive got a tone control turned up one notch ashame mode

[Barry]

r

oops, ive got a tone control turned up one notch ashame mode

Nothing wrong with that Grant, assuming it is not a permanent arrangement. I have a few LPs for which a small (no more than 1dB) tilt in the response can help 'correct' either a 'thick' or 'thin'-sounding recording. But 99.9% of the time tone controls are switched out of the circuit.


This thread has been fascinating as it has only proven that we all have different expectations from our systems, and since no single system can accurately replicate all aspects of a performance we have different priorities. For me I favour transparency, neutrality, leading edge attack, focus, imaging and good sound-staging over say dynamics and 'gut wrenching' bass and volume.

Suum cuique

[Marco]

oops, ive got a tone control turned up one notch ashame mode

Stand in the corner, boy, and prepare that rather pump (but strangely alluring) bum of yours for spanking!

Marco,

[Marco]

For me I favour transparency, neutrality, leading edge attack, focus, imaging and good sound-staging over say dynamics and 'gut wrenching' bass and volume.

I value all those things too, and indeed my system delivers them, but for some forms of music, in order to reproduce them faithfully (and realistically), you need some gut-wrenching bass and volume, daddy-o!



Marco.

[struth]

Nothing wrong with that Gant, assuming it is not a permanent arrangement. I have a few LPs for which a small (no more than 1dB) tilt in the response can help 'correct' either a 'thick' or 'thin'-sounding recording. But 99.9% of the time tone controls are switched out of the circuit.


GANT?

This thread has been fascinating as it has only proven that we all have different expectations from our systems, and since no single system can accurately replicate all aspects of a performance we have different priorities. For me I favour transparency, neutrality, leading edge attack, focus, imaging and good sound-staging over say dynamics and 'gut wrenching' bass and volume.

Suum cuique

Stand in the corner, boy, and prepare that rather pump (but strangely alluring) bum of yours for spanking!

Marco,

PUMP?

t'will be a gant pump if any spanking goes on

[Marco]

Haha - missed out the 'l'...

Marco.

[Barry]

Sorry - missed out the "r".