The vinyl illusion ?

[Macca]

But there is no difference...

Edit: anyone else getting this thing where you post something and it asks you if you want to leave the page, so you say yes, it then takes about 20 seconds for your post to appear... twice!

Well there is but comparatively it is a teeny tiny one. But if you wanted to make an interconnect that quite obviously changes the sound, maybe with little boxes full of bits half way along, or maybe not, then you could. And they do.

[Marco]

That's how it is and I don't think the two will ever sound the same. There is is still a cold disconnected feel to digital, it lacks soul and our brains are still not tricked into thinking we are listening to something that sounds real.

Lol - this subject keeps coming up again and again [and again]... Jim, you've heard my T/T at NEBO, which at the time you said was one of the best sounds you've ever heard from vinyl, and I can assure you (as indeed Macca will confirm, as he's heard both in my system), my CD player sounds very similar.

Not the *same*, but so close, as I've said before, that when lying back listening to music, I often forget whether it's a record playing or a CD (based on the former being a pristine vinyl pressing with very low surface noise). I certainly wouldn't be able to do that if CD inherently "lacks soul".

The fact is, it doesn't. It simply necessitates the use of the right digital equipment, in order to release its full potential - and that full potential, in my experience, ably allows it to compete favourably with any turntable. Note, however, I'm not saying that it betters it.

And yes, there will always be differences between digital and analogue, but not the huge discrepancies some claim, which exist simply because either the digital or analogue source equipment being used isn't capable of revealing the full potential of the partnering music software. When that's NOT the case, the real differences are small.

It's *that* simple, folks!

Marco.

[magiccarpetride]

Some remastered vinyl is crap, I have an original abbey road, a bit noisy so I bought a new one and the original beats the new one hands down, not in the same league. Btw I'm not a Beatles fan, only like abbey road.

I have the exact same experience with Abbey Road -- the 2012 180 gram remastered LP sounds dull and lifeless compared to the original LP.

But (and it's a BIG but!), the old DIDN'T sound superior to the new one before I washed and vacuumed it in my RCM. That's a very important (I'd say a vital step) when comparing analogue to digital -- is the LP cleaned and vacuumed or not?

[Spectral Morn]

Many modern pressing are taken from digital not the original analogue master tapes.....

[magiccarpetride]

Many modern pressing are taken from digital not the original analogue master tapes.....

True. I have a double LP "Past Masters" by the Beatles that was issued in November 1988. It was cut from the digital master, and it sounds totally shite. Just bloody awful.

[struth]

Got an original and a remaster too quite like both

[Marco]

Original Beatles albums (stereo or mono) always sound best, closely followed by expertly produced reissues, remastered using the original tapes, such as those from 2012. To ensure that the sonic characteristics of the original tapes are faithfully captured, that process *must* be conducted in the analogue domain, from start to finish.

The rest? Forget it! Unless you're happy owning a substandard product.

Marco.

[Macca]

Original Beatles albums (stereo or mono) always sound best, closely followed by expertly produced reissues, remastered using the original tapes, such as those from 2012. To ensure that the sonic characteristics of the original tapes are faithfully captured, that process *must* be conducted in the analogue domain, from start to finish.
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Not possible though because when you come to cut your vinyl record the signal is converted to digital for the cutter head. This is really the killer for those who believe that analogue has some sort of intrinsic 'purity'. Any pressing dated later than 1979 is digital, as are quite a few from before that date.

[Haselsh1]

Yeah, done all of the record cleaning with a Moth RCM so that can be removed from the equation. It has no bearing on this thread I'm afraid and I also have a very old pressing of DSOTM that is not overly knackered but I wouldn't really want to play the whole thing. This pressing dates back to around 1979.

I am going to have another sesh at some point today but the weather is superb this morning and the Harley is calling from afar.

I may try out some old classics like The Climax Blues Band, original pressing and Brand X Moroccan Roll just to see if age really does make a difference because there is no way these two albums are digital anything.

I'll be back

[Pharos]

We could question whether or not the vinyl medium's deficiencies serve to mask inherent unpleasantness in poor recordings which digital allows to be heard, it is possible.

I have never really considered any Beatles stuff to be of very good audio quality, it was for me the song writing which mattered.