The vinyl illusion ?

[Macca]

Well, taking photos and developing them and processing them is a creative process, whereas playing someone else's record isn't. I think that is the difference between those two hobbies.

[Marco]

Well, taking photos and developing them and processing them is a creative process, whereas playing someone else's record isn't. I think that is the difference between those two hobbies.

Lol - you've just spectacularly dismissed the core AoS ethos! I think you'll find that it *is* a creative process, if indeed you're capable of lateral thinking, which is why AoS has its name [and every section has an 'arty' theme], the key bit being the 'A'!!!

Marco.

[Joe]

Well, taking photos and developing them and processing them is a creative process, whereas playing someone else's record isn't. I think that is the difference between those two hobbies.

Surely digital photography has taken the developing and processing process away, and replaced it with the likes of Photoshop? Is that still a 'creative' process?

It's a weird thing, photography. Even weirder is photo-realist painting, where paint is used to produce the same effect as a photograph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photorealism

[Haselsh1]

As stated by you in a previous post:


I wondered if your disinterest in the accuracy of your audio system applied to your photography. Not so much with the taking of a photograph (the source), but with the subsequent reproduction of the image. Is the printing of the negative also part of the creative process, or should it be a perfect 'mechanical' reproduction? If not, would you frame your photographs using tinted glass, or view them under a coloured light source?

Probably not a useful analogy thinking about it.

To a point as I only shoot black and white. I do not use filters because I see no point in putting a thirty quid filter on the front of an eight hundred quid lens, however when I used to print onto a variable contrast paper I had to use a dichroic head of course. These are only in the source of light though so not image forming. The reality is though that I used to mainly use graded fibre based papers for purity at all stages. I guess due to the fact I print in black and white I cannot be interested in accuracy to the source can I...? And of course, now that I only shoot digitally the sky is the limit when it comes to removing oneself from any kind of 'accuracy'. Therefore, I am not interested in photographic accuracy in the same way I am not interested in audio accuracy.

[Macca]

Lol - you've just spectacularly dismissed the core AoS ethos! I think you'll find that it *is* a creative process, if indeed you're capable of lateral thinking, which is why AoS has its name [and every section has an 'arty' theme], the key bit being the 'A'!!!

Marco.

I thought that was just marketing ... so what is creative about switching an amplifier on and playing a record? Am I missing something here?

[Haselsh1]

Yeah, to take Grant's comment, it is the artist in us. Photography is indeed a highly artistic craft displaying one's skills of detail and creativity. Sitting back listening to music is definitely not artistic. You are simply not creating anything as an extension of your artistry however you are moulding together a means by which you can appreciate another's art and musicianship.

I have never looked upon photography as art but I still do look upon photography as a craft. Digital photography, the sort I do now, has a much wider scope for theatrics than traditional silver halide photography. In black and white, my faved form,
the images I can create now especially with my 14mm lens are phenomenally more expressive than I ever could with more traditional means.

OK, I haven't a bloody clue where this is going.

[Haselsh1]

I thought that was just marketing ... so what is creative about switching an amplifier on and playing a record? Am I missing something here?

Yeah... partially the point I was trying to make.

[Joe]

I thought that was just marketing ... so what is creative about switching an amplifier on and playing a record? Am I missing something here?

Obviously.

There's the mystical ritual involved in removing a record from its sleeve, handling it by the edges to avoid fingerprints, placing it on the platter, checking the VTA, then slowly lowering the stylus into the groove, sitting back in your reclining chair, tapping your foot as the music starts, reading through the sleeve-notes and admiring the Roger Dean artwork on the cover, listening out for the bit where the drummer hums along, then wondering if maybe a change of speaker cable would help reveal whether his humming is in fact out of tune, then mentally composing a forum post asking for advice about this. As a piece of performance art, there's more creativity in there than in all the Turner prizewinners put together.

[Haselsh1]

Oh dear, here we go again...

I do not truly believe that digital imaging is actually photography at all. It is IT and the skills set required to do it is completely different. Photography, as in 'true' photography demands a quite in depth knowledge of chemistry. In fact it still does of course especially if you go down the route of formulating your own developers and/or messing with liquid emulsions but I turned my back on all of that because I no longer saw the point. Back to point No1.

[Macca]

. As a piece of performance art, there's more creativity in there than in all the Turner prizewinners put together.

That's not really saying anything though is it?