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    Nice story Jamie.
    I love my SC4E. Bought it a few years ago after reading Charlie’s reviews. Thanks Charlie!
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    out of interest berni,what do you track yours at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    out of interest berni,what do you track yours at?
    Settled at 1.75 grs as recommended by the manual.
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    VTF IMO depends both on the Decca model and with the profile of stylus fitted. In my experience (so not necessarily definitive), with my Deccas used in an arm with light damping, I have found:

    Decca Mk. III (elliptical stylus): 2.5g

    Decca Mk. IV (SC4E): 1.75g

    Decca Mk. V (Blue, spherical stylus): 3.0g

    Decca Mk. VI (elliptical stylus): 1.5g

    It sholuld be remembered that there was enormous sample-to-sample variation of Deccas (in quality and performance) up to the introduction of the Decca Jubilee, so your Decca may well be not the same as mine. Also cartridge loading can have an effect on the tracking ability of a Decca.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Also cartridge loading can have an effect on the tracking ability of a Decca.
    That's interesting Barry. Not something I'd considered, but I can understand various input loads having electrical 'braking' or damping effects on the armature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    VTF IMO depends both on the Decca model and with the profile of stylus fitted. In my experience (so not necessarily definitive), with my Deccas used in an arm with light damping, I have found:

    Decca Mk. III (elliptical stylus): 2.5g

    Decca Mk. IV (SC4E): 1.75g

    Decca Mk. V (Blue, spherical stylus): 3.0g

    Decca Mk. VI (elliptical stylus): 1.5g

    It sholuld be remembered that there was enormous sample-to-sample variation of Deccas (in quality and performance) up to the introduction of the Decca Jubilee, so your Decca may well be not the same as mine. Also cartridge loading can have an effect on the tracking ability of a Decca.
    Interesting Barry, I tracked my Blue at 2g and I did have a little bit of mistracking, however this was the recommended VTF John Wright suggested? My Blue has an original conical stylus so maybe I should try a 3g VTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Interesting Barry, I tracked my Blue at 2g and I did have a little bit of mistracking, however this was the recommended VTF John Wright suggested? My Blue has an original conical stylus so maybe I should try a 3g VTF.
    I've had several Decca London Blue's and they will mistrack if you are far short of the recommended 3 grams. I've found them a bit fussy about anti-skate settings too, worth experimenting with.
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    Yeah, when j.w changed my gold to a line stylus the cartridge tracked much better ( at about 2g) At first I thought it sounded slightly on the thin side but once
    bedded in you could hear the extra detail and refinement. Well, around 500 hours later its still giving me much listening pleasure, though I better start saving for the next one !
    Glad things have worked out well for you Jamie, as they say before serving up a meal these days ( annoyingly ) Enjoy

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    I gave Jw a call this morning, his said it’s been calibrated for 1.8 grams.
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    So pleased you had the balls to see it though and get a new stylus Jamie. Bet you're glad you didn't sell it now!
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