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    Quote Originally Posted by tapid View Post
    Glad things have worked out well for you Jamie, as they say before serving up a meal these days ( annoyingly ) Enjoy
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    So pleased you had the balls to see it though and get a new stylus Jamie. Bet you're glad you didn't sell it now!
    cheers fellas,
    im very happy with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    So now you finally get 'the Decca thing' Jamie . After an unfortunate false start. There is nothing else like them!
    id have to agree,its a very good cartridge and another good recommendation from you that sparked my interest.
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Nice one Jamie. Would love to be convinced sometime about one of these, hopefully I'll hear a sorted one in the right setup eventually!
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Nice one Jamie. Would love to be convinced sometime about one of these, hopefully I'll hear a sorted one in the right setup eventually!
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    he's right you know

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    ive done some alignment work on the decca,those that use one know what a pain they are as you cant see the stylus for off set aligning
    armed with various magnifying glasses,jewelers loupe's and plenty of lights i got stuck in again aligning the cartridge body to the cross lines on my protractor,what i though was right turned out to be slightly off,a small twist and a listen brought a smile to my face once more,i was in that 'happy place' again.

    i also ordered some silicone fluid to experiment with damping, i bought 20,000 cst and 30,000 cst,the standard fluid in used in the rocks trough is 12,500 cst.
    i tried the 20,000 first and it sounded better for it,hard to say how but i noticed more string decal on upright bass notes.
    next up was the 30,000 cst, this although not unpleasant seemed to kill the highs a bit,slightly less dynamic than the 20,000,i also had to knock the bias down a notch.
    back to the 20,000 confirmed what i thought,so im sticking with this for a while before going back to the 12,500 to confirm its better.

    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    ive done some alignment work on the decca,those that use one know what a pain they are as you cant see the stylus for off set aligning
    armed with various magnifying glasses,jewelers loupe's and plenty of lights i got stuck in again aligning the cartridge body to the cross lines on my protractor,what i though was right turned out to be slightly off,a small twist and a listen brought a smile to my face once more,i was in that 'happy place' again.

    i also ordered some silicone fluid to experiment with damping, i bought 20,000 cst and 30,000 cst,the standard fluid in used in the rocks trough is 12,500 cst.
    i tried the 20,000 first and it sounded better for it,hard to say how but i noticed more string decal on upright bass notes.
    next up was the 30,000 cst, this although not unpleasant seemed to kill the highs a bit,slightly less dynamic than the 20,000,i also had to knock the bias down a notch.
    back to the 20,000 confirmed what i thought,so im sticking with this for a while before going back to the 12,500 to confirm its better.

    Interesting results Jamie. I'm surprised you could hear a difference between using a damping fluid having a viscosity of 20,000cS to that of a slightly thicker fluid of 30,000cS, but in your case the damping is applied very close to the cartridge, rather than near the arm pivot point as occurs with most other arms. So I would expect choice of viscosity to have more of an effect, and be more readily noticable.

    Agreed setting up a Decca for correct overhange can be tricky, but if the sides of the headshell (or mounting platform) are parallel to one another and if the cartridge is mounted 'square on', then one can use the sides of the headshell to align with the parallel lines on the alignment protractor. As you are finding out, care with the set up of a Decca pays dividends.

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    cheers barry,i went with looking at the bottom side edges of the cartridge and viewed from above,i was getting some sibilance on end tracks which has now gone, so small steps forward.
    i didnt think there'd be much in the fluid too but the 30,000 was noticeably more viscous.
    it also passes the 20hz and 18hz vertical resonace tones on the hifi news lp so my paranoia about that having negative effects has gone too! lol
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    Really chuffed for you getting good results for all the effort you put in. I hope to hear it sometime, trouble is I'll either never want to listen to my TT again or I'll be off down that road of upgrading again.....I'll take that chance though lol.
    My stuff; Toshiba SR-370/Mission 774 /Ortofon Quintet Black, Cambridge CXC CD transport/Musical Fidelity X DAC/Musical Fidelity X10v3 tube buffer, Musical Fidelity A3, Nakamichi CA-5E pre amp, Acoustic Solutions FM/DAB tuner, Mordaunt Short Signifer, Klotz MC5000/MS audio, NVA LS5

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    ha ha yes its a dangerous thing listening to other peoples kit,just think of the nights i returned from your place crying myself to sleep because my speakers sounded crap after listening to your harbeths
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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